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From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com
Subject: SCIENTOLOGY IS ANTI-_
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rogue@ccs.neu.edu (R Agent)

>>  [...] There was no Christ. [...]
>>     -- L. Ron Hubbard
>
>>  You say "I have no reason at present to believe it is a fake." I think
>>  that is a significant statement and I thank you for it. But, people should
>>  know for sure if this is an actual statement of L. Ron Hubbard. If it is
>>  not his words, that's important to know, maybe won't keep getting quoted
>>  all over the place. If he did say this, that is important to know too.
          
Whipboy:
>I can't speak for the absolute accuracy of either quote above. It is
>notable they are not in context. Both, most likely, were asides or
>offhand comments -- not a focus of the subject at hand, not the key topic
>of the lecture.
>
>The topic of a fair portion of the lecture is the R6 implants, how bad
>they are, what they do, how they happened, how to deal with them.  It's
>not strictly a rant at Christianity, but a rant at R6, which (according to
>Hubbard) Christianity has at its base.  Christianity is used throughout as
>an example of how R6 manifests.
>
>Your church would probably sue me if I posted the whole thing (assuming I
>had it).  Your assertion is that it's just a little aside.  Mine is that
>it's considerably more central.  I've read the transcript (an unofficial
>one, anyway - I accept its accuracy).  You haven't.
>
>Probably they're for real.
>
>Class 8 Course, Lecture 10.  Listen for yourself.  I understand you can
>listen to any tape at your local Org for $2, unless it's restricted.  Is
>Class 8 Lecture 10 restricted?
>
>>  Cult spokesman Andrew Milne will not tell us if L. Ron Hubbard said this.
>>  He has been asked, but he ignores the question. He will not address the
>>  question. Too bust posting cult press releases to answer this? No cult
>>  person in a position to know will address the question. That doesn't make
>>  sense. Don't they think it is an important thing to know?
>
>You can buy gigantic volumes of transcribed lectures. You can buy a copy
>of almost every taped lecture there is. You can buy whole sets of scores
>upon scores of lectures. Every last bit of it, save the relatively small
>amount of upper level material, is available for scrutiny.
>
>Is the Class 8 Course considered "upper level"?
>
>If Ron said it, you can verify it.
>
>Unless it's restricted.
>
>[...]
>The tape itself is your best verification, more official and more
>convincing than anything Andrew could say.
>
>Imagine 50 people walking into their local Org, saying "I want to listen
>to the Class 8 Lecture 10 tape" and walking out.  50 people a day.  They'd
>say it's a movement.  And that's what it is.  The Grady Ward Memorial
>Class 8 Lecture 10 Tape Movement.  You can get anything you want at L Ron
>Hubbard's Restaurant.  Sorry, got carried away for a second.  Apologies to
>Arlo Guthrie.
>
>Digitized sound files *can* be forged or altered, though I would hasten
>to add I have no reason to believe the snippet Grady offers is false.
>Still, I recommend trying to check the real thing if you can. It is only
>fair to hear it in its context and nuances.
>
>I'd be interested in hearing people's experiences trying this.
>
>        RA
         
    Those "nasty bits" have been edited from the non confidential
    Class Ate Course and are only available to billion year 
    contracted C-Org staff.
    
    Whipsnapper is lying through his sphincter again.
    
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