Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com Subject: Mr. Brad Templeton, p Message-ID: <9512060751.0B15800@support.com> Organization: L.A. Valley College Public BBS (818)985-7150 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.35 Distribution: world Date: Wed, 06 Dec 95 07:51:10 -0800 Lines: 203 wbarwell@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (William Barwell) >> Cory lies. Out and out lies. >> Dennis Erlich was sued to silence him. True fact. They didn't appreciate my sermon. >> Why. >> >> Cult Critic: Scientology does so and so. >> >> Cult member: Lies! Scientology does not! >> >> Erlich: Yes, Scientology does. Let me quote from Hubbard Communication >> Office Bulletin Policy Letter # 216, Mar 24, 1971... >> >> Dennis had to be silenced. He was at one time 'cramming officer', >> that is, it was his job to know all these rules and to teach >> them to cult officials who forgot them, did not understand them >> or had never learned them. Hubbard himself had appointed Erlich >> to this post. It's true. I know more about the subject of their tek and policy than they do. I intended to argue against what they have done to the group using their own policy. They could not win such an argument. >> THIS is why Dennis HAD to be silenced. >> This is why the cult tried to get Klemesrud to silence >> Erlich. Erlich was too effective. His former position and his knowledge >> of the arcane policies of Co$ made him a problem. Itmade it impossible >> to lie effectively with Dennis on net. And you should have seen the lies floating around when I arrived! Phew. It made me toadly sick! >William, this is extremely ironic coming from you. You are the person that >has tried to get me silenced on ARS, by sending frivolous complaints to my >providers. Get off it. Pope has taken the time to point out what the topic of the newsgroup is and simply let provider's know who is abusing Terms of Service. >No. I have simply complained about your abuse of ARS with off topic spams. >You have every right to say whatever you want. In teh proper newsgroups. >Try sci.psychiatry for your bizarre hate propaganda. But it has no place >here. It is a perfect example of the policies (I cannot post) about handling of criticism. Judge Whyte ... can I please have my research books and papers back now? It's been ... TEN F*CKING MONTHS ... since you allowed the scienos to burglarize my house and rape my privacy. My mental stability has been severly compromised by your destroying of my civil rights. When will it begin to matter to you that you are assisting these criminals in their efforts to ... DRIVE ME INSANE? Ever? >Now. >Either you are oblivious to the fact that of topic spamming is not >acceptable on usenet, in which case you are a low IQ loser, >Or you know very well what the problem is with your spamming and you are >lying, and not very convincingly. > >So. Are you a liar, or a fool? >I am beginning to suspect liar strongly. She's just doing her job. Diverting the discussion from scientology to other (non-threatening) subjects. > You have publicly admitted doing this on ARS, and you have also >publicly threatened others whose opinions you disagree with, stating you >would get them kicked off the Internet if they kept posting their opinion. > >Lies. Show us one post where I did that. >I have threatened off topic posters. >You are aliar. But that is getting to be a tedious truism, >pointing out the obvious. > >Since it is an obviously incompetent lie and cannot help your case on >ARS, why do you persist? It only makes you look bad. >And shows the lurkers that, yes, the cult is slimy and evil. They don't notice. They are applying tek and it *always* works. So it must be working now. >But go ahead and shoot your self in the foot. >It is you who looks bad. Not me. > >Your justification for this is that we are "off-topic," however, the >reality is that we are on topic, > >More lies. Can bashing is not on topic. Psych bashing is not on topic. >End ot argument. X-windows, Windows 95 is not on topic and I am getting on >those guys right now to stop that long running spam. I apprecitate you doing it. Newman and Martin used to keep these off-topic spammers pointed out and cited. Someone's gotta do it. > we are just not talking about the aspects >of the topic _you_ want to talk about. But even if we were off-topic, I >have a burning question for you - please explain why you think being >off-topic should get someone kicked off the Internet, but someone whose >posts are violating the law should not have those posts removed? Perhaps your ISP's realized who you were working for. >If it is chronic off topic spamming with obvious intent to destroy on >topic debate with propaganda and needless flamewars, your obvious >purpose in CAN bashing and Psych bashing, your chronic spamming will lose >you another account. That is the way Usenet works. > >You are a Scientologist official, day I/C of OSA at the LA org. >We know this. Even though she denied it for months. >Your coming into ARS to get flame wars going on psychs and CAN is >obvious usenet abuse for an obvious reason. >It is not acceptable. Continue and lose. > >As to your claims regarding Dennis, this is simply not true. Read the >judge's opinion in the case, he found that Dennis had posted substantial >amounts of copyrighted material with little or no commentary. That does >not fall under the definition of fair use. S'not case law. Brinkema's decisions about your Unclean Hands and Bad Faith is, though. Isn't it? >Nope. It is merely a judge's opinion in a preliminary matter >of a TRO. >The most Dennis posted was the limited amount of material in the Fishman >Declaration and a few pages of NOTS. >We now know that these were not teh full materials. That testimony has >shown that some of the OT materials run 200 - 300 pages. >The judge has not seen that evidnece so he is not judging on that basis. >But a jury will. >And 30 pages out of hundreds is fair use any way you look at it. > >Dennis has it made in the shade. >Pull the lever, down you go. >The HCOB's and PL's are fair use too. >Down you go again. > >Your cult thought Dennis would not have the $$$ to fight them. >Whoops! > >Also, Dennis was removed from his post of cramming officer because he so >grossly misapplied the policies. BS. It's because I tried to get the Way To Happiness hypocritical public "tek" applied to staff. >Lie. He wouldn't accept the cult's lack of adequate care of SO >member's children and other abuses. >They booted him because he wouldn't stop making waves. True. I wouldn't accept the off-policy totalitarianism. >You are a liar, Cory, how can you stand it? >If you had your babies in cult care while you spent long hours at low pay >and then found your darling baby had WORMS because of poor care, wouldn't >you complain? Would you accept that? Dennis wouldn't, but your cult did. >And booted him because he won't stop bucking them. > >Your claims are libel, pure and simple. >Shamful. > >I have not seen Dennis tell any lies here on ARS. >You do continually. > >You are a dead agent. > >Pope Charles >SubGenius Pope Of Houston >Slack! They give her what to post, Pope. Each posting is checked and double-checked by her senior. To make sure it reveals no truth about the inner workings of the cult. +--------------------------------------+ Rev. Dennis L Erlich * * the inFormer * *