Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com Subject: LEISA GOODMAN PICTURE Message-ID: <9512180734.0AN5K00@support.com> Organization: L.A. Valley College Public BBS (818)985-7150 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.35 Distribution: world Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 07:34:34 -0800 Lines: 77 richieb@teleport.com (RichieB) bmyers@ionet.net (TarlaStar) wrote: > I haven't seen this "picture" but I disagree that Leisa Goodman is a > misguided pawn. What she does she does of her own free will, whether > we believe she is influenced by the Church or not. Others before her > have discoved the evil they were supporting and "blown." Dennis is a > good example. Richie: >How long was Dennis in before he blew? 2 >How many things did he do that he now regrets? 2 >Don't get me wrong, I think Dennis' efforts to reform CofS from >within were very admirable. I don't think that someone who >does not follow that same path is necessarily worthy of scorn. > > No one is a pawn unless they want to be. > >That was my attitude until recently. It's how I felt about Kim Baker. >Since then I've done a lot more research about mind control, and >I see now that these issues are not that clear cut. > >I think I gave Kim a bum rap. I apologize. > >I wish her, and Leisa, my best. > >Leisa Goodman > not only is an active member of the CoS, she is their official > appologist. If there is anyone who is NOT a pawn, it is she. > >One of the books I read was "Combatting Cult Mind Control" >by Steve Hassan. In his book, Hassan describes how he >recruited and indoctrinated many people into the Moonies. >The same things you've said about Leisa could be said about >Steve Hassan, or many other ex-cult members. > >People do a lot of things they wouldn't ordinarily do when >under the influence of mind control. That's why it's called >mind control. > >Leisa may take as strong of a stand against the "Church" as >Dennis has, someday, who knows. > >She has made her choices, though, and if she does get out >she will have to live with them. That's a lot more punishment >than either you or I could dish out to her. Rich, you are comparing apples and oranges. Leisa, Hever, Poodleboy and the lot are the type of scum that tek people hated even when we were in the cult. Professional liars and bullies. Stat-pushers. Admin staff. Kill-for-Ron types. People do still have choices. They give up their right to choose progressively. But that is still a choice. The person you are treating with sympathy is not Leisa or Kim. It is the substitute personality installed by the cult. The nicer you treat it, the more respect you give it, the less chance the real person has of re-emerging and taking over his/her life. You'll know when you're dealing with the real person. It's easy to tell. Meantime it's an ElRon Clone. A wraith. A Body Thetan from the rotting corpse of the His Rotunditude. +--------------------------------------+ Rev. Dennis L Erlich * * the inFormer * *