Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com Subject: FISHMAN'S CLAI Message-ID: <9512191746.0OZCA01@support.com> References: <199512192037.MAA20083@skylink.skylink.net> Organization: L.A. Valley College Public BBS (818)985-7150 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.35 Distribution: world Date: Tue, 19 Dec 95 17:46:58 -0800 Lines: 155 Perry Scott >Hi Dennis, > >I'm not saying these words - it's Steve Fishman. I understand you >attested OT7. Yup. >Did you see OT8? Not in the MEST Universe. Just what I've managed to channel from Tubby's ex-thetan as it writhes in the flames of eternal (must seem like eternity to hiM) hellfire. The message was garbled, but I managed to write it down. >I jumped ship well before seeing any of >this stuff, so I'm looking for other sources of verification. This >critic can evaluate data, notwithstanding Woodhead's opinion. > >Fishman: > >So here was this wanted criminal fugitive, LRH, the self-proclaimed God > >of New OT VIII, where the primary cognition of truth revealed is that > >"Source (Ron) is the Eighth Dynamic (God). Me: > Look. Tubby considered himself *a* God. He believed that he > was creating reality. "What is true for you ..." It is the > same thing as in the Satan story. Fish: >Right. It could be said "What is true for you ..." was Lucifer's >"primary error." :) Precisely. >Total cause over Matter, Energy, et.al. seems pretty godlike, if you >ask me. Toadly. >So you say that self-deluded godhood (YOU are the 8th Dynamic) >is the End Phenomenon of OT8, or am I putting words in your mouth? By implication from the ability gained on the Grade Chart, it would pretty much have to be. >In >terms of Scn/Xtian compatibility, I would argue this is even better. Well go on then. >Gnosticism was booted out of Xtianity in the 4th century - it has >already been judged incompatible. Me: > But he always denied being *the* God. That's one reason the > Oat Tea Ate material I've seen looks bogus. Perhaps it's > just some somantic interpretation I am missing of the > document. Perhaps I didn't read carefully enough because it > seemed from the first to have not been Tubby writing. I > guessed that it was, however, created by the Tech > Compilations Unit for some nefarious OSA purpose. > >It does seem inconsistent with LRHs other statements regarding 8th >Dynamic and his beliefs therein. However, I have not dismissed >Fishman's claim because it could be part of the gradient. However, if >you as OT7 would choke on this OT8 cog, I can be convinced that >Fishman's OT8 is a forge. Lots of "However"s in this paragraph. But a forgery by who and for what purpose? >BTW, the concept of OSA squirrelling the Tek seems beyond their >capability. If the ends justify the means, I suppose, but alter Source? >That's a high crime, Mr Cram Officer! You misunderstand. I think it's likely that OSA created the doc as a *fake* OT8. Think about why it might be so. Remember that it was created in the late 80s or so. >Back to Fishman, I'm unsure how to evaluate his version of OT8. First, >the pedophile stuff and now this other unverified claim about end cogs. >I don't know if there are other OT8 apostates out here, but it seems >simple enough to validate Fishman's library and lay this matter to rest. >It's embarrassing to get all worked up over pedophile slurs that are >later (plausibly) explained away by the Co$ spinmeisters. I'm pretty sure Tubby said the same or worse elsewhere about Jesus. (the implant) > Perhaps so it could be planted on a critic who claimed it was > authentic facilitating a raid with *no* need to reveal the > *actual* Oat Tea material. > >This speculation is breathtaking. Using a Trojan Horse as a pretext to >abuse constitutional rights? Precisely! >In any copyright infringement case, the >plantiff must prove they hold the copyright. I would force them to >bring The Real McCoy to court, btw. How? >The strategy seems to play in Holland. Explain. >Of course, that wouldn't stop a raid. But a raid would be met by a >slam-dunk countersuit. I don't think Co$ is that stoopid, though recent >actions in Holland may cause me to recalibrate my opinion. Do not underestimate their stupidity or ruthlessness. > >Is this really the End Phenomenon of NOTS-8? > > No. > > NOTs is not OT8. It's OT4-7. OT8 is "Total Cause over Matter, > Energy, Life and Thought on every Dynamic" > > The End Phenomena if OT8 includes self-deluded "Godhood". > >OK. Fishman said "New OT8" and I mistranslated. The nomenclature is >somewhat obtuse to the casual observer. So Cram me and send me to ARSCC >RPF in the Bahamas. It's cold here in Colorado this time of year. My best friend threw me out into the winter with no money because I revealed to a pc he was C/Sing what OT3 was. (1984) > >What was that about Scientology being compatibile with Christianity? > > Toad'l F*cking Lie(tm). > >Amen, brother. >Again, thanks for your efforts to educate us. I know your free time >must be a precious commodity. What I know is most precious. Happy to take the time to share it with anyone interested. >Perry Scott >Co$ Escapee Posted and mailed. +--------------------------------------+ Rev. Dennis L Erlich * * the inFormer * *