Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com Subject: AND THEY COULD TALK, TO, Message-ID: <9601130851.0CG6S00@support.com> Organization: L.A. Valley College Public BBS (818)985-7150 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.35 Distribution: world Date: Sat, 13 Jan 96 08:51:43 -0800 Lines: 204 janda@netcom.com (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) >[Watch those attributions...] [erlich peels his glazbols and presses his naz to the screen] Since so much (OT 3-7) of the scieno-scam directly involves EXORCISM, and since it drives scienos absolutely bug-nuts when I talk about exorcising Body Thetans and the ridiculous price they charge to get rid of the tens of thousands of little demons that supposedly inhabit each human's body, I don't mind discussing this with you. But if you begin to get critical of my attributions, newsreader or lack of writing style, I'm just gonna have to ignore you, Keith. >In article <9601100757.0B6VH00@support.com>, > wrote: >janda@netcom.com (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) >Tarla: >>>And yet I note, you do not discuss Scientology and these high ideals, >>>but prefer to distract. What ARE the high truths of Scientology? >YHN: >>Your thetan (soul) was brought to earth 75 million years >>ago by the evil Xenu in order to curb overpopulation in this >>sector of the galaxy. You were implanted with 36 days of >>bad movies that installed the concept of Christ so you could >>be more easily controlled. Tens of thousands of other >>thetans were packaged up and stuck to your thetan. These >>other thetans are chattering in your ear and making your >>elbow hurt; giving you illnesses and causing you to lose >>your temper; making you unable to EVALUATE DATA or see the >>truth of what Whipdick here is telling you. >Keith: >>Here's an odd thought: In old OT7, when you are told to communicate >>with plants and trees, whom are you communicating with? > Your imagination? (just guessing) >>Obviously, the thetan in the plant, or the thetan in the tree. > Oh, er ... right. A very confused and lethargic thetan. >Well, we learned in old OTIV, V, and VI that there were thetans >were knocked into unconsciousness, had done drugs, and that had >been living in their own fantasy worlds for 75,000,000 years, >so it's not a great stretch of the imagination... Bzzt. Retread Skamizdat! You're thinking of NOTs (New Era Dianetics for Operating Thetans). The rehash of OT3 that was used to create the NEW - catch this - NEW OT 4-7. And yes, Kieth, they are stupid. The BTs *and* the scienos. >>(Ok, now we could digress into a post about how tales of dryads >>and other tree-spirits are just people accidently communicating >>with the ThetanInTheTree[tm], but...) > I don't think the the scieno are brite enought to defend > their belief's thusly. >Oh, lord. Don't these people think? Defernately knot. If The Ron didn't tell them about it, it ain't been discovered. Other thoughts are squirrel. >Um, nevermind. I already know that most don't. The ones that do >eventually blow. You gotta. The dots don't connect anymore (kill for peace) and it all starts falling down in your mind. The house of cards you've built outa El Rons mental tinkertoys. That's called cognative dissonance. It's the uncomfortable feeling the scienos are experiencing now that the real world has become that most persistantly disconnected dot. >>Statement of fact: Scientology believes in "past lives". >>Statement of fact: Scientology does not believe in timewise >>differention. In other words, one of my "past" lives may have >>been lived at 3500ad, while my "current" life is in 1996. > Huh? Never said by El Ron. Time is like a straight line > from where we are, back to Incident 1. There is no > concurrencey of time ever mentioned in hiS Droppings. >Really? Than the whole "body thetan" thing falls apart. It didn't need a shove from you to fall apart, Keith. But I still don't see what you're talking about. You, as the scienos would say (and often do) "have a Crashing MU". >There is >currently some 5 billion people on Teegack. If you consider that >Xenu captures 180 million people from 80 plants, and nuked them, >at today's population that's less than one body thetan (let alone >thetan) per meat body on the earth today. Even if you assumed that >Xenu managed to grap 180 billion people on his of the 80 planets, >that's only some thirty body thetans per meat body. >(As always, I ask that somebody please check my math.) Yea, so there's all these Body Thetans, so what? What does that have to do with concurrent time? > Wait a minute! Con-currency is mentioned in the policy "MAKE > MONEY, MAKE MORE MONEY, GET OTHER ROBOTS TO MAKE MONEY". >Shouldn't that be "...get other battery-powered robots to make money"? "... whose thought process has been hard-wired to match a madman's." >>(Odd thought: The Genetic Entity is just a Body Thetan that has >>been reborn before the OTIII incident. Not having any human bodies >>to cling to, it would climb onto whatever was availble, like a clam >>or a sloth, or even Piltdown man :]) >>Conclusion: You too can be reborn as a tree. > If you mess with the Oat Teas the will turn you into one, > they think, with their Soooper Powerz. >I want to be an oak! At that level of unconsciousness, you don't get to chose. Only after you pay for and become Oat Tea can you possibly hope to chose your next body. That's what you pay for, Keith! Your mandatory donation. They's sue you if you try it on your own. >>Next question for Dennis: According to Tubbard, your cooties are >>composted[ah, typos :)] of the types who had done serious drugs or >>were otherwise shocked into a stupor in OT3, and were "just along >>for the ride", and other cooties, which were vying for your body, >>but you beat them out of it (because you're "more aware"). > That's right. >>Did Tubbard ever claim that the reason some people have multiple >>personalities or schizophrenia is because the "other cooties" temporarily >>gained control? > Of course. MPD, voices in the head, ambivolence, > criminality, illness, and other forms of Wogism are all due > to possession by Body Thetans and Clusters. >The "Dianetics" infomercials (and I would assume, Dianetics itself) >claim that _all_ your problems are caused by the reactive mind. True. That's what Tubby and his followers claim. No proof. No scientific studies. Everything wrong with mankind stems from the very thing all you wogs have overlooked in your so-called science: the Reactive Mind. >Can >you give me a guess as to how many people blow after starting OTIII >and find out they've been lied to for years? Well, they sorta slink away slowly after they've spent all that money and time just to be told that they're possessed and gotta pick them cooties (flees, the tek folks call them) off to become Cause over Matter, Energy, Space, Time, Life and Form on all Eight Dynamics. That's the *exact* defination of Operating Thetan, you know. They don't dare ask each other, "Did you think that sh*t was real?" >>Trick question: Why are there basically an infinite number of thetans >>and BT's? > I never counted, but there are certainly hundreds of > thousands on each person that need to be located and asked to > leave with the commands "What are you? Who are you?" >Well, this was assuming that there was no timewise differentiation >in Scientology. Look, Keith. I obviously don't know how to tell you this since you keep on saying it even after I try to explain it to you, so READ MY ELECTRONS! Time is very clearly de-lineated in scientology. Events that supposedly happened millions of years ago are meter dated (as part of Date/Locate procedures) down to FRACTIONS OF SECONDS to determine precisely where they occurred on the time track. This causes, according to The Ron, the mental energy (that only the e-meter of all electronic instruments can properly indicate) to blow - leave - the mark's reactive mind. >If there is, then there's a physical limit on >the number of BT's that can logically exist. According to Tubby, since Thetans are not part of the physical universe, they can occupy a "viewpoint" *in* it without occupying any objective space. Hence, seemingly an infinite number of the little buggers can be snoozing in the same space on ones body, and require to be exorcized from that one spot. But I don't think that's what you were asking, was it Keith? There is a physical limit to neither the number of Body Thetans that can physically exist nor to the extent of their self-delusion. Scientology is based on these two underlying principles. If you don't see that, I'll have to explain it to you later. Til then ... Rev. Dennis L Erlich * * the inFormer * *