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From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com
Subject: "IT'S HARD TO WORK IN
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janda@netcom.com (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)

>Richard Ward <rrward@netcom.com> wrote:
>I'm at an interesting quandry at the moment.  Saint Dennis has stated
>that Scientologists do believe in timewise differentiation, which means
>that there were a finite number of thetans trapped at Incident I, 
               
    Don't call me that.  (Please refer to me as Emperor Dennis
    Who Giveth Authorization For All Activity To Continue.  YHN 
    (Your Humble Narrator) for short.

    But you are right.  All thetans had Incident Jaun.  It 
    begins and was the cause for each having a Timetrack.

>and
>an even smaller number turned into BT's at Incident II.

    Zillions, but yes, smaller than the total number with 
    timetracks.

>So, how many BT's are there?  
 
    Hundreds of thousands on each person.  The rest are Copies.  
    Has anyone talked about Copies?

>I've already logically shown that social
>decay is caused by population growth against a finite number of thetans,
    
    You did?  Wow, I gotta go back and actually read what you 
    wrote, maybe.

>so I wonder where the "event horizon" is.

    Way the h*ck past your puny, human mathamatics.  

>>>3: If a Thetan is so damned powerful (the calculations posted here was
>>>   about 600 G type stars per Thetan), why do they muck about with
>>>   meat bodies, and how were the meat bodies able to enslave them?
>>Incident I:  The Thetans were tricked into believing that they were
>>meat bodies, and thus, they created meat bodies and physical reality
>>for themselves.  They basically forgot that they were all-powerful
>>Thetans, and the whole point of Scientology is to "re-awaken" you.
>This makes Thetans pretty piss-poor energy beings.  The stupid buggers allowed
>themselves to be fooled, and then did nothing to counter it.  I would guess
>that the stupid clods deserve it.
                                                     
    Rent a margin, Keith.

    They "pulled in" being BT, Keith?  Say it right!  "They had
    O/Ws and M/Us which prevented them from as-ising the
    incidents."

>Correct.  Power does not equal intelligence, although intelligence
>tends to increase power.
               
    Yes, but can you spread it on toast?

>Question:  Why hasen't El Ron used the 600 G-Type Stars worth of energy he now
>
>has access to (since he dropped his body) and done away with all this and
>returned us all to our Thetan state?  I mean, he knows what is going on, and
>how to fix it, does he not?
                                        
    Sure, but the only challange he still has is to train us puny
    mortals how to be a Big Being like him.

>My response:  Because exerting the energy he now has available to him
>would actually cause our thetans to retreat further into unknowingness
>and unbeingness due to the implants we have received during R6 (There
>was no Christ), Incident II (I _like_ MST3K), Incident I (How do you
>turn left in a void?), and "past lives" (we've got them to spare).
                                           
    Exactly, seeing the truth of his magnificance would restim 
    our own inadequacies and be "out-gradient."

>>>5: Why do the Oat Tees want to save this prison planet, anyway?  Why not
>>>   just drop the damned meat bodies, knock down the implant stations (if I
>>>   were as powerful as 600 type G stars I'd just scorch the planets) and
>>>   take of for parts unknown and wonders unseen?
>>In Buddhist terms, it's called a Bodhi Saffa (sp?).  These are entities
>>that have achieved enlightenment, but do not yet wish to take the step
>>to the next reality because they want to help others achieve enlightenment.
>If I was "an enlightened" being living in a Scientology[tm] universe, I'd
>damned well use my 600 G-Type Stars worth of powers to awaken the others.
>I'm "ethical" enough to help my fellow beings suffering in their meat bodies.
>Killing their bodies is easy.  Capturing and re-awakening their thetans
>(and all those cooties) is not.  This is the same reason why the OT8's
>can't move marbles with their attention beams.  Sure, they could _show_
>you what it would do, but _you_ wouldn't really understand it unless
>you had paid your $300,000 to get half-way across "the bridge".
                                               
    Now you got it.

    It'd be out-gradient for you to have freedom and spiritual 
    power without first paying the scienos for them.

    Rev. Dennis L Erlich   * * the inFormer * *
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