Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com Subject: MISTREATMENT? (WAS: IS T Message-ID: <9603071622.0N0CD00@support.com> Organization: L.A. Valley College Public BBS (818)985-7150 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.35 Distribution: world Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 16:22:44 -0800 Lines: 142 Whipsnapper rkeller@voicenet.com (Rod Keller) wrote: >People are threatened with large debts [if they try to leave the >C-org] Wimper: >What a crock. They know the rules all ahead of time. The debt is no >threat. It is a stipulation, a condition of staff service. Its >rationale is well known to Church staffers. To prevent C-org staff from blowing (leaving) without permission. >In fact, I am completely positive that the Church would never use any >serious measures to enforce the billing for services recived as a staff >member, except within its own ecclesiastical system of ethics and >justice. You're talking out of all three sides of your mouth, Whimper. >Someone who chooses not to pay is simply failing to fulfill the >prerequisite for further Scientology services. > >Ask Dennis. He surely has such a debt on the books. Is he being dunned? > Is the debt on his credit record? Has he leins or garnishments on that >account? Wimp, you lying sack 'o sh*t! The contract and debt is legally uninforcible. That's the *only* reason. Plus your cult knows damn well that you'd be laughed out of court if you tried to collect on your billion year contract. You know the threat is used *before* the person leaves. He has to pay off his Freeloader's Debt (sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars) before being is returned to "good standing" in the cult. Until then his family and friends can't talk to him. >Oh, I've seen the accusations. Get used to them, Whimp. You'll be seeing them more and more. >Chain lockers, the Fort Harrison basement >and so forth. Introspection Rundown Isolation step. Running program. RPF's RPF. Kali Cerimonies. Overboarding. >But I was there to see, for years on end, and I *never* >saw nor heard of anything to substantiate them. I've been in that >basement. That's strange. Your Flag Professional Liar, Brian Anderson, just claimed today on public radio that there has never been a basement at the Ft. Harrison. Get your story straight, a-hole. >I was even acquainted with some of those who make the claims, >and with some of the individuals they accuse. > >What is it that leads you to believe yourself an expert on these things, >Rod? I'm the expert. >Were you there to see? Sure enough, pr*ck. And I'll be happy to testify to it in court. >Have you found actual corroboration for the >accusations? You'll find out. >Has there *ever* been a legal finding of false or wrongful >imprisonment against the Church? Not yet. >"No" to all, right? I thought so. Rong. >Just about every last Scientologist I have ever known would *never* >tolerate such acts on the part of the Church. I certainly would not. Liar, the acts are tolerated and the staff subjected to them right up to the present. >Had I been the subject of anything like the fear, coercion, threats, >punishments, and imprisonment the a.r.s extremists portray, or if I had >ever witnessed such things, you may rest assured I would have protested >to high heaven. I would have been *outraged*. And I'd have damned well >done something about it. Furthermore, I'd be telling you about it today. That's precisely what I'm doing, Wimp. >You can see from my articles that I am a rather vocal sort. If you call being full of sh*t, vocal. >In fact, I >got myself into hot water more than once while in the Sea Org, for being >*very* noisy and objectionable about things that were not right. I >normally came out of the fray unscathed. I was scathed. Now I'm scathing. >Because I was substantially >*right* and I never accepted any pressure to dismiss things I thought >were important. (I wasn't unusual. There were many like me, and still >are.) Working as a Field Staff Member for OSA, eh? >Well the same would have applied, had I any knowledge of criminal >mistreatment of people. Fortunately, I was never placed in that >position, because the Sea Org is on the whole a very decent and humane >group. Those things just were not happening. "My dog never bit you. If he did it, was your fault. Besides, I don't even own a dog." I just love your denials, Whimper. Keep it up. We'll call you as a witness to testify about what else you didn't see. Twit. Rev. Dennis L Erlich * * the inFormer * *