Path: rambo.bobo.net!xs4all!xs4all!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: inFormer@informer.org (Rev Dennis Erlich) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: A message to Rebecca Date: 10 Nov 1998 19:05:55 PST Organization: inFormer Ministry [a 501(c)3 non-profit, religious organization] "... in service of cult victims and their families." Lines: 82 Message-ID: <364dfe7c.7143465@news.concentric.net> References: <364577b2.8308351@news.tiac.net> <3647631d.353795@news.snafu.de> <727qq5$8ci$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <364e9c25.2880851@news.concentric.net> <72acsu$ue4$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Reply-To: informer@informer.org NNTP-Posting-Host: ts031d35.lax-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: rambo.bobo.net alt.religion.scientology:142397 ceon@u.washington.edu (Ceon Ramon): >>>Of course they can "go on." They've already "gone on." They're alive. yhn >> Heh. Is that how it seems to you? barbara >Yes, my little zombie. :-) It does in fact seem to me that you're alive. It's a delusion. I'm just making a skeptical of myself. I wouldn't call it a life. >>>They have choices. They have the potential to live and love and create >>>entirely new lives for themselves. I know that Dennis is really gloomy >>>about his possibilities, but that doesn't mean they don't exist as long >>>as he himself has existence, life; life is after all a matter of "going on." >>>Neither one of them has been murdered, neither one of them is dead. It's >>>only when you're dead that you can't "go on." >> >> No, it doesn't quite work like that. Life doesn't erase it's >>effect on the basis that the victim survived, and went on in some >>manner. > >I didn't say that, nor did I mean to imply it. We have to absorb a lot >of suffering in life rather than "erase" it. We aren't always in control >of the circumstances that inflict it on us, but we certainly can control >how we deal with it and how we move beyond it. Helping people move beyond it is the goal of my ministry. >I know you and a few others (and by specifying "a few" I do not mean to >trivialize the importance of experience) are targets of vicious campaigns >designed to hurt you, and that these campaigns are relentless, frightening, >and demoralizing. I hope you know that I consider myself your friend and >advocate, insofar as that has any meaning for you. And of course, I consider you as stead-fast net.friend, Barbara. The fact that I have good friends like you is another reason my heart is still beating. >My life cannot really "go on." That which was my life has >>been systematically stripped from me in every real and tangible sense. >>My heart is still beating, yes. Perhaps it "goes on" beating just to >>prove to them they can not control me in that choice. > >Of course your life can "go on." It may not go on in the way you'd choose, >The Church of Scientology and its vicious policies have narrowed your choices >by determining to inflict as much damage to your life and create as much >personal unhappiness for you as they can. They discredit themselves as a >religious organization every time they spread rumors about you, every time >they drag you into court, every time they scuttle about under cover of >darkness like cockroaches on their errands of malicious mischief, such as >the acid attack on your parents' car. They can't really help it. They are just following Elrong's Sakrid Policy Droppings. >> I really can't think of another reason for it to go on. > >Don't let them win, Dennis. Wouldn't think of it. Numb and bleeding, I will drag myself over that finish line. >>>Dennis is if anyone is a true victim. >> >> I cannot "go on" until I at least get my constitutional rights >>back. Can't you see that? > >Yes. But meanwhile you have to go on, and there's a lot of consolation >to be found just in being alive to savor the beauties of the world, such >as friendship. Well, yes. There is a bit of that going on. For which I have been continually and gratefully amazed. God bless you all. Rev Dennis Erlich * * the inFormer * *