Path: rambo.bobo.net!xs4all!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!diablo.theplanet.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: inFormer@informer.org (Rev Dennis Erlich) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: "Shattered" minds Date: 21 Nov 1998 10:06:31 PST Organization: inFormer Ministry [a 501(c)3 non-profit, religious organization] "... in service of cult victims and their families." Lines: 62 Message-ID: <365c0089.5916084@news.concentric.net> References: <36434818.32145259@news.tiac.net> <36526d02.43779474@news.tiac.net> <71ur44$n4n@enews2.newsguy.com> <3654234e.33527137@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <3655d896.2083312@news.concentric.net> <733ojd$kn@enews1.newsguy.com> <7348qn$356@enews3.newsguy.com> <36591f16.3389495@news.concentric.net> <3656d391.2564760@enews.newsguy.com> Reply-To: informer@informer.org NNTP-Posting-Host: ts029d37.lax-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: rambo.bobo.net alt.religion.scientology:146505 referen@bway.net (Diane Richardson): >At the risk of having Godwin's law invoked, let's apply your >"blamethevictim" model to another example. I merely said that Rebecca's statement about the pre-shattered minds of cult victims could appear to some as "blamethevictim". >If you apply the same reasoning to the Nuremberg Trial cases, you >would find all the Nazi war criminals innocent of their crimes because >they were merely following the orders of their "organization." Those >Nazis, according to your model, would be victims instead of criminals. Not my contention, nor words. >Do you really believe the concentration camp guards who claimed they >were "just following orders" should have been held innocent of their >heinous crimes? Do you consider those concentration camp guards >misunderstood victims who shouldn't be held responsible for their >own actions? Where did you learn this "drag your opponent into the mud" rhetoric? It's just another version of the strawman. >I don't think that's what you really believe, but that's the >conclusion one must draw using your rationale. I don't have a rationale. I have a shattered mind, remember. Which I am trying to explore with Rebecca. [thankyouverymuch for sticking your nose in, di] >I sincerely hope the indictments in the Lisa McPherson death don't end >with the indictments against the organization. They shouldn't. I certainly agree. And I was pretty good friends with Alain Kartuzinski. >In addition to the >abominable policies of the organization, there are *people* who should >be held accountable for the actions which led to Lisa McPherson's >death. Janis Johnson and Alain Kartuzinski head that list. Poodleboy heads the list. >You may believe Janis Johnson and Alain Kartuzinski are nothing but >poor, misunderstood victims. Keep your disgusting words out of my mouth, Di. >I happen to think they should be held >responsible for their abominable behavior which led to the death of >Lisa McPherson. As do I. >Sometimes, Dennis, victims *should* be blamed. And you're just the girl for the job, Di. Rev Dennis Erlich * * the inFormer * *