Path: rambo.bobo.net!xs4all!xs4all!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: inFormer@informer.org (Rev Dennis Erlich) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: "Shattered" minds Date: 22 Nov 1998 18:44:56 PST Organization: inFormer Ministry [a 501(c)3 non-profit, religious organization] "... in service of cult victims and their families." Lines: 60 Message-ID: <3658c817.912032@news.concentric.net> References: <36434818.32145259@news.tiac.net> <36526d02.43779474@news.tiac.net> <71ur44$n4n@enews2.newsguy.com> <3654234e.33527137@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <3655d896.2083312@news.concentric.net> <733ojd$kn@enews1.newsguy.com> <7348qn$356@enews3.newsguy.com> <7353uf$fec$1@nnrp03.primenet.com> <736evf$7ae@enews1.newsguy.com> <738cdl$gcq$1@nnrp02.primenet.com> Reply-To: informer@informer.org NNTP-Posting-Host: ts037d24.lax-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: rambo.bobo.net alt.religion.scientology:146883 bpetty@primenet.com (BP): >Ex-scientologists very commonly report neglected health problems during their >time in the cult. I'd call it routine in the scienokult for staff members to go without proper dental hygiene or care, and to neglect physical problems they "pull in" by being PTS to some Espee. Remember Elrong stated that all illness could be traced to a PTS condition. Dint anyone explain this to you? >Not isolated cases at all, since it is a core teaching of >Scientology that the clear and above should not normally have physical >ilnesses - if one does, it should be solved with the tech. Precisely true. You need to get permission from your Case Supervisor just to be allowed to see a doctor. Jeeze, I thought everyone knew this. There's a distinct lack of quoted policy and tek on this newsgroup these days. Why doesn't someone (who isn't being sued) do a fair use quote of C/S Series 29 "CASE ACTIONS - OFFLINE". >The Introspection Rundown was applied exactly. They will have to scapegoat someone. Saying the tek was misapplied. Probably poor Alain Kartuzinski. He was such a nice, caring guy when I first met him. French, he was (and probably still is), but I dint hold that against him, Roger. >The feelings on the part >of the technicians were irrelevant. They are trained to be ruthless in their application of Elrong's tek. The way out is the way thru. What turns it on, turns it off. These are the Laws that guided those taking care of Lisa. Just think of why they expected her to get better, right up til the time she was pronounced dead (hours after she probably was dead). They were expecting her to get up and "snap out of it." After all, every scieno at Flag prides himself for being at the "mecca of teknikal perfection." >Empathy is required. I don't expect, and certainly cannot morally require, people to "feel for me" or for other exer's. We got ourselves into the mess, right? I knew I shouldn't take candy from strangers, but I just wouldn't listen to my mom and dad. So I deserve to be taken by that stranger, and violated. Right? Rev Dennis Erlich * * the inFormer * *