Path: rambo.bobo.net!xs4all!xs4all!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: inFormer@informer.org (Rev Dennis Erlich) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: "Shattered" minds Date: 23 Nov 1998 19:06:44 PST Organization: inFormer Ministry [a 501(c)3 non-profit, religious organization] "... in service of cult victims and their families." Lines: 91 Message-ID: <365d0a6c.4273776@news.concentric.net> References: <3654234e.33527137@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <3655d896.2083312@news.concentric.net> <733ojd$kn@enews1.newsguy.com> <7348qn$356@enews3.newsguy.com> <7353uf$fec$1@nnrp03.primenet.com> <736evf$7ae@enews1.newsguy.com> <738cdl$gcq$1@nnrp02.primenet.com> <739373$3bn@enews3.newsguy.com> <73a1g0$p0t$1@nnrp03.primenet.com> <73adpk$5ni@enews2.newsguy.com> <365ddd6c.6373475@news.concentric.net> <73blva$me7@enews4.newsguy.com> Reply-To: informer@informer.org NNTP-Posting-Host: ts030d24.lax-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: rambo.bobo.net alt.religion.scientology:147131 "Rebecca Hartong" : yhn >> And screw anyone stupid enuf to be taken by predators. Let them >>learn their lesson and getoverit. Otherwise society is better off >>without them. rebecca >Jeez... what's that whining noise I hear? Why complain about a brutality? You call it whining. Whatever. You don't have a clue about the nature of the cult and you call my educating you whining. You are some arrogant broad. >Yes, let them learn their lesson >and get over it (move on with their lives.) And if getting over it means letting others know of the danger, what then? Nevermind? >But, no, society is not >necessarily better off without them. Rather, what will happen is that they >will continue to make the same sorts of mistakes over and over again. Mental weaklings that they are. >Sometimes, Dennis, experience really is the best teacher. Was in my case. But it was more painful and destructive than it should have been. Special privileges have been granted the scienos that have not been granted other harmful and/or predatory industries. >Sometimes, no >matter how much evidence you provide and how convincingly you describe the >dangers of some course of action, people are going to take that course >anyway and they're going to get hurt. It happens. It's life. I was never warned. Most people have not been warned of this kind of predation. >>>Scientologists do not live in a vacuum >> >> Wow. This shows real ignorance of what it's like to be in a cult. > >Unless you spent every day of your life from birth to age 21 as a cult >member, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that cult members do not live >in a vacuum. They do, and that vacuum is part of the definition of cult. >Those years prior to cult membership count for an awful lot in >terms of psychological development, Dennis. But while they're in the cult, they are in a vacuum. Of information. Of reality checking support. Of unfiltered information. They live in a vacuum. >If they didn't, everyone would >be joining cults. And, for that matter, the great majority of >Scientologists do not join the Sea Org or spend all day on staff. And since so few are bothered, it's a matter of diminishing returns to bother stopping the exploitation. >Most of >them are just regular folks who go home at night to watch TV with the wife >and kids, no? No. >How is it that these people are living in a vacuum? Perhaps they use the scieno net.nanny, like good little scienos. >Rats... I'm running out of time to respond to your posts this morning. Ah >well, I don't think either one of us is going to persuade the other. How >about we just agree to disagree? No. I can guess that the only reason you post to the newsgroup is to engage critics in lively debate about their own motivations and actions, and have no real interest in exposing scn for what it really is. I don't geddit. Rev Dennis Erlich * * the inFormer * *