Path: rambo.bobo.net!xs4all!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: inFormer@informer.org (Rev Dennis Erlich) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: "Shattered" minds Date: 23 Nov 1998 20:25:13 PST Organization: inFormer Ministry [a 501(c)3 non-profit, religious organization] "... in service of cult victims and their families." Lines: 65 Message-ID: <366a3436.14972996@news.concentric.net> References: <3654234e.33527137@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <3655d896.2083312@news.concentric.net> <733ojd$kn@enews1.newsguy.com> <7348qn$356@enews3.newsguy.com> <7353uf$fec$1@nnrp03.primenet.com> <736evf$7ae@enews1.newsguy.com> <738cdl$gcq$1@nnrp02.primenet.com> <739373$3bn@enews3.newsguy.com> <73a1g0$p0t$1@nnrp03.primenet.com> <73adpk$5ni@enews2.newsguy.com> <365ddd6c.6373475@news.concentric.net> <36597a9c.2653478@enews.newsguy.com> Reply-To: informer@informer.org NNTP-Posting-Host: ts031d21.lax-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: rambo.bobo.net alt.religion.scientology:147165 drichardson@nyam.org: yhn >> That is precisely what they are, in relation to their 100% standard >>application of Elrong's words. Why do you think they need Cramming >>Officers or Ethics Officers, if not to overwhelm their ability to >>think critically about right and rong. di >But you yourself agreed that as a CoS member you resisted policies >that went against your own personal moral code. Yes. I would never lock someone up or restrain someone who wanted to leave. I would never lie to the police or the press to cover up for a murder. I wound never harass critics or judges. But the current staff member is not as strong as I was. >Why were you able to maintain your own personal moral code >while others couldn't? Why were you still capable of critical >thinking and telling right from wrong when others weren't? More cantankerous. >>>I think that almost every one of us reading a.r.s. right >>>now--Scientologist and critic alike--could come to agreement on most of the >>>big issues regarding right and wrong. >> >> But not those issues that relate to scieno tek and policy. > >Except for you, when you were in the cult and refusing to follow >policies that went against your own moral code. Why? What made >you different from all the others? Stronger sense of self. rebecca >>>I don't believe it is naive. I think we *do* all share some core set of >>>values that tells us what is right or wrong. yhn >> This boarders on insufferable arrogance. Perhaps you are speaking >>about genetic morality. Or something. >> Surely you can quote something which proves this inherent sense of >>correct values. It would probably have to be something which likewise >>would prove the existence of the soul. di >You developed your own personal moral code as a child, by listening >to your parents and your grandmother, and watching how they reacted >to the world. This is *far* more deeply ingrained in you than any >"scieno implant," Dennis. In my case, perhaps. What ab0ut in Lisa's babywatchers? I think they deserve the punishment the same as anyone not in a cult who neglects or tortures another person to death. Don't get me wrong, I am not apologizing for their stupidity or braindead state. But they were led into it by a calculated program to deprive them of their critical thinking. The scienos call it "knowing how to know." Rev Dennis Erlich * * the inFormer * *