Path: rambo.bobo.net!xs4all!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: inFormer@informer.org (Rev Dennis Erlich) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: "Shattered" minds Date: 24 Nov 1998 08:15:25 PST Organization: inFormer Ministry [a 501(c)3 non-profit, religious organization] "... in service of cult victims and their families." Lines: 63 Message-ID: <3661d7fd.3310425@news.concentric.net> References: <3654234e.33527137@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <3655d896.2083312@news.concentric.net> <3657e2bc.106602719@news.wwa.com> <736jt9$7g9$1@camel19.mindspring.com> <3659fe0c.5278720@news.concentric.net> <73714v$8ea@enews2.newsguy.com> <365f20cd.14176661@news.concentric.net> <7390cv$2ec@enews3.newsguy.com> <365acef6.2671335@news.concentric.net> <73bl5s$m5k@enews4.newsguy.com> <3662226b.10417503@news.concentric.net> <73e74k$f4n@enews4.newsguy.com> Reply-To: informer@informer.org NNTP-Posting-Host: ts034d33.lax-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: rambo.bobo.net alt.religion.scientology:147259 "Rebecca Hartong" started it with: If there are only a few [who have been harmed by the cult - ed] --and I suspect that's the case--you might give some consideration to the very likely possibility that their minds were "shattered" before they got into Scientology in the first place. -------------------------- yhn >> If it was your sentence, please answer the question I've asked from >>the top of the thread. How were our minds shattered before the cult >>got a hold of us? > rebecca >The sentence is mine. The choice of the word "shattered" is not mine. >Whatever. That's why the word is in quotes, I guess. But it was you who chose to type it. (Actually Mick Jagger used it first.) >I wouldn't presume to guess how your mind was "shattered" before >Scientology got hold of you. Well, in a way it might be helpful to hear what you think could have been any of the probable causes. I'm not challenging you, merely asking for you to back up your words, by sharing what might be useful information from your objective viewpoint. (see no quotes) >I'm sure circumstances and details vary widely >from individual to individual. Not to put yours in your mouth, but your sentence at the top of the thread seemed to indicate that you thought that the few people who had actually been harmed by the cult had been in some way flawed or defective in reasoning. I was just trying to get some preliminary speculation as to what you think makes one person more susceptible than another. So we could discuss it. >Clearly, though, there was something >different about you--something that most people don't have--that led you to >become involved in Scientology in the first place, to join staff, and to >eventually spend a decade with the group. 15 years. >Only a very few people who have >any contact with Scientology do that. I know hundreds. >Whatever it was that allowed that to >happen must, I think, also be a big part of why you were so badly affected >by your experience. See, that could be a clue! Give us your best guess. Rev Dennis Erlich * * the inFormer * *