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From: inFormer@informer.org (Rev Dennis Erlich)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: "Shattered" minds
Date: 24 Nov 1998 08:15:38 PST
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"Rebecca Hartong" <hartong@erols.com>:

yhn
>>   Rebecca dismisses us by pointing this out as whining.

rebecca
>What a twisted interpretation of events this is, Dennis!

   That's the way it came across.  You're saying I'm still twisted.

>First, I have never downplayed the damage that some people suffer during
>cult membership, I have only questioned the ultimate *source* of that
>damage.  

   As in, they did it to themselves?  The cult or themselves; what
other factors could you possibly mean?

>So, it's a complete misinterpretation of everything I've written to
>suggest that I think these effects are minor.  

  Then I'm not the only one who misinterpreted you.

>And as for dismissing people
>for whining, Dennis, that remark applied only to you.  

   You've mentioned it several times.  I consider you a friend enuf to
hear your criticisms fully and to consider them.  But you won't
explain these whiny remarks, so I have to assume you are just trying
to hurt my feeling.

>It was personal.  

   And mean, since you won't explain it, and I obviously don't
understand.

>And
>you will note that although I accused you of whining, I did not dismiss you
>or the points you were attempting to make.

   Characterizing my remarks as whining is per se dismissive.

   Rev Dennis Erlich  * * the inFormer * *
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