Path: rambo.bobo.net!xs4all!xs4all!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsxfer.visi.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: inFormer@informer.org (Rev Dennis Erlich) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: "Shattered" minds Date: 24 Nov 1998 22:21:49 PST Organization: inFormer Ministry [a 501(c)3 non-profit, religious organization] "... in service of cult victims and their families." Lines: 86 Message-ID: <3671996f.52840265@news.concentric.net> References: <733ojd$kn@enews1.newsguy.com> <7348qn$356@enews3.newsguy.com> <7353uf$fec$1@nnrp03.primenet.com> <736evf$7ae@enews1.newsguy.com> <738cdl$gcq$1@nnrp02.primenet.com> <739373$3bn@enews3.newsguy.com> <73a1g0$p0t$1@nnrp03.primenet.com> <73adpk$5ni@enews2.newsguy.com> <365ddd6c.6373475@news.concentric.net> <36597a9c.2653478@enews.newsguy.com> <366a3436.14972996@news.concentric.net> <365b8666.2164980@enews.newsguy.com> Reply-To: informer@informer.org NNTP-Posting-Host: ts029d32.lax-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: rambo.bobo.net alt.religion.scientology:147489 referen@bway.net (Diane Richardson): >>>But you yourself agreed that as a CoS member you resisted policies >>>that went against your own personal moral code. >> >> Yes. I would never lock someone up or restrain someone who wanted >>to leave. I would never lie to the police or the press to cover up >>for a murder. I wound never harass critics or judges. But the >>current staff member is not as strong as I was. > >Why were you stronger than the other scientologists? What was it >that led you to object to inhumane policies when others obeyed them >to the letter? Some I objected to, finally, after years in the cult. Some I went along with. I did raise 4 daughters in the cult. I subjected them to the inhumane treatment as "thetans in little bodies." So I didn't actually resist 100%. >>>Why were you able to maintain your own personal moral code >>>while others couldn't? Why were you still capable of critical >>>thinking and telling right from wrong when others weren't? >> >> More cantankerous. > >Same questions here. Why were you more cantankerous? My moral code was compromised plenty in 15 years. >>>>>I think that almost every one of us reading a.r.s. right >>>>>now--Scientologist and critic alike--could come to agreement on most of the >>>>>big issues regarding right and wrong. >>>> >>>> But not those issues that relate to scieno tek and policy. >>> >>>Except for you, when you were in the cult and refusing to follow >>>policies that went against your own moral code. Why? What made >>>you different from all the others? >> >> Stronger sense of self. > >And again -- what gave you a "stronger sense of self" than your fellow >scientologists? Why didn't the Hubbard tech work on you the way it >worked on the others? I was mindfucked for 15 years and I did things I will regret for the rest of my life. Don't make me out to have been some un-bendable contrarian. >>>>>I don't believe it is naive. I think we *do* all share some core set of >>>>>values that tells us what is right or wrong. >> >>yhn >>>> This boarders on insufferable arrogance. Perhaps you are speaking >>>>about genetic morality. Or something. >>>> Surely you can quote something which proves this inherent sense of >>>>correct values. It would probably have to be something which likewise >>>>would prove the existence of the soul. >> >>di >>>You developed your own personal moral code as a child, by listening >>>to your parents and your grandmother, and watching how they reacted >>>to the world. This is *far* more deeply ingrained in you than any >>>"scieno implant," Dennis. >> >> In my case, perhaps. What ab0ut in Lisa's babywatchers? I think >>they deserve the punishment the same as anyone not in a cult who >>neglects or tortures another person to death. > >I agree. > >> Don't get me wrong, I am not apologizing for their stupidity or >>braindead state. But they were led into it by a calculated program to >>deprive them of their critical thinking. > >Why didn't that calculated program deprive you of your critical >thinking? That's what I'm trying to figure out. It did deprive me. Only one thus derived would attempt raise children in the oppressive environment of the cult, or allow himself to be held prisoner by an employer. Rev Dennis Erlich * * the inFormer * *