Path: rambo.bobo.net!xs4all!xs4all!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: inFormer@informer.org (Rev Dennis Erlich) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: "Shattered" minds Date: 27 Nov 1998 10:47:20 PST Organization: inFormer Ministry [a 501(c)3 non-profit, religious organization] "... in service of cult victims and their families." Message-ID: <3667f299.5224195@news.concentric.net> References: <3654234e.33527137@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <3655d896.2083312@news.concentric.net> <733ojd$kn@enews1.newsguy.com> <7348qn$356@enews3.newsguy.com> <36591f16.3389495@news.concentric.net> <3656d391.2564760@enews.newsguy.com> <365a3833.6264140@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <365b8a82.3217272@enews.newsguy.com> <365e1bb9.14240023@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <73m5e5$2nm@enews2.newsguy.com> <365ed996.62851992@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: informer@informer.org NNTP-Posting-Host: ts021d01.lax-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 39 Xref: rambo.bobo.net alt.religion.scientology:148186 seekon@spamblock.ix.netcom.com (Conner) asks a burning question of Rebecca: > so exactly what factors do you think cause people to > join cults? can you explain the cultic experience in > a way that former cult members can agree with? do > you have a theory that is consistent, that matches available > data? I believe you are treading into no-man's land by asking her to actually explain how the known phenomena of a cultic experience relate to certain of her views. > is it something more insightful than something to > the effect that sometimes people get stupid? I think it's more, buyer beware. > or do you > simply bounce the explanations erlich and others provide > against this personal responsibility angle, and when they don't > stick, you reject them? What more can you expect of people? At least she listens to us. And responds. She did apologize for calling me a whiner (even tho i took it as a complement). > i know, so many questions. i think what i struggle with is > that i don't see the data that your philosophy of personal > responsibility is built on, and i don't see it adapting to > accomodate data about actual cultic behavior. I know. Those dots don't seem to connect. Do they, 3? Rev Dennis Erlich * * the inFormer * *