Path: rambo.bobo.net!xs4all!xs4all!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master From: inFormer@informer.org (Rev Dennis Erlich) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Photographs of Jolie Steckart./ We hit a nerve Date: 06 Apr 1999 18:14:01 PDT Organization: inFormer Ministry [a 501(c)3 non-profit, religious/educational organization] "... in service of cult victims and their families." Message-ID: <3710b041.31799327@news.concentric.net> References: <21000113019100.02989.00040445@capitalist.org> <7e3qq1$971$1@news-2.news.gte.net> <370585e6.9152371@enews.newsguy.com> <7e45je$k6n$1@news-1.news.gte.net> <37064bfc.257637@enews.newsguy.com> <7ed2ma$mt7$3@thingy.apana.org.au> <33c0a6ee48.clara@holsoft.demon.co.uk> <93d7b6ee48.clara@holsoft.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: inFormer@informer.org NNTP-Posting-Host: ts023d26.lax-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 95 Xref: rambo.bobo.net alt.religion.scientology:201787 Sister Clara : referen@bway.net wrote to Jesse, among other hateful things: >> > > > :> We'll be around long after you've become >> > > > :> an unpleasant memory. No. See, Di. That's where you're wrong. Jesse has exhibited bravery beyond merely carping at participants and critiquing players on the field. He experienced many things, the effects of which you, without considerably augmenting your empathy and broadening your perspective, can only superficially understand. Jesse's testimony, while not perhaps conclusive in the dropped Factnet case, may at some point be the undoing of the cult. Jesse will no doubt be a pivotal player in bringing down the cult. You, OTOH ... well, nuff said. Mike O'Connor >> > > > :You HATE Jesse Prince, Bob Minton and Stacy Brooks. Right? It does come across in her writing, Mike. fun@thingy.apana.org.au (David Gerard) wrote: >> > > > I don't get that from her posts at all. She gives their posts a >> > > > dispassionate critical evaluation. No uncontrolled emotional response >> > > > there in any way. You're joking, right David? mike >> > > OK, but I define hate as intense hostility and aversion. She clearly displays those vitriolic feelings with comments like: di >For all your posturing, your >testimony over the alleged fraud involved in the CoS copyright >registrations ended up being nothing more than a flash in the pan. Jesse's light has not yet shown at all, let alone flashed. And Diane, you will certainly not the one to decide who is dismissed when the story is finally told. mike >I wonder how >> > > Diane feels about it. Does she feel she hates Jesse Prince, Bob Minton and >> > > Stacy Brooks? sis >> > Ah - sec check time..... Bzzt! Redefining a mere question as a sec check? This tactic is worthy of OSA, Sis. mike >> One question does not a sec-check make. How about you, do you think Diane >> hates Jesse Prince, Bob Minton and Stacy Brooks? sis >I couldn't give a damn one way or another. Diane is not the one to be dismissing a person like Jesse who has risked everything to speak out about the internal workings of the cult; something about which Diane (and many others) know so little, in spite of the fact that it makes him look bad. That is not being evenhanded with those who actually know about the subject of the newsgroup. If you want ex-members to post here you ought to care, Sis. >Diane is raising points that are valid and, as far as I am concerned, she >speaks for me in this matter. Diane's "points" are vitriolic and corrosive. To wit ... di >Jesse, you're the best example of >the complete failure of the Study Tech to teach anyone anything. >Maybe you can get Miscavige to sign you up for remedial study tech >sometime. Better yet, go back to school and pay attention this time. Tearing down Jesse (or anyone) for posting style without addressing any actual issue he's raised is an invalid technique in a discussion aimed at greater understanding. And that is precisely what Diane is doing. Rev Dennis Erlich * * the inFormer * *