Msg#: 1307                                         Date: 07-01-96  15:26
  From: Martin Goldberg                              Read: Yes    Replied: No 
    To: Bill Wolff                                   Mark:                     
  Subj: alternative views

 BW> Let's step back here for a moment Al. I'm an agnostic remember? 
 BW> And I quoted Carl Sagan as saying: "The fossil evidence 
 BW> could be consistent with the idea of a Great Designer..." 
 BW> And there is nothing wrong with that statement. As it very 

You are a liar.  Let me refresh your memory just one more time so we can all
have a good laugh at you, Jerkoff.

 > > HP> Yo, Bill -- you can say it all you want, but around here you
 > > HP> have to demonstrate it. Provide evidence. Remember, you said
 > > HP> in DR_DEBUG that you could easily convince anyone of this.
 > > HP> Time to put up or shut up.

 > > BW> Okay where do you want me to start? How about with Carl 
 > > BW> Sagan? In his book Cosmos, he candidly admits "The fossil 
 > > BW> evidence could be consistent with the idea of a Great 
 > > BW> Designer."

Giving evidence of there being a great designer are we?  Sounds like your above
is a lie.  No where here do you mention anything other than Sagan sounding like
a creationist.  But let's move on.

 > HP> Carl goes on to say that it would have to be an idiotic "great 
 > HP> designer" and that there's a better explanation -- natural 
 > HP> selection -- that matches the facts better.
 BW>Oh really?

Your reaction to Hec's comment is one of disbelief, as you had never read the
entire thing before.

Yep, that's what the man said, your attempts to disguise it (i.e. lies
by purposeful omission of context) notwithstanding.

 > BW>You just don't get it, do you? For over a hundred years, 
 > BW>people have been using the fossil record as proof as for 
 > BW>evidence of evolution...

Sure they have.  The evidence is there.  The evidence is, however, not
complete.  This is why other avewnues are investigated.  Only a moron and a
creationist such as yourself would make the black and white statement above. 
You thought that all evolutionary theory was based on the fossil record when it
is only a part of the evidence.  This fact of ignorance comes back to haunt
fundies such as yourself time and time agin.


 > HP> "as proof as for evidence of evolution?" How'd that "proof" 
 > HP> part get stuck in there? Sagan does, indeed, state that the 
 > HP> fossil record is evidence of evolution...
 BW>Proof got in there because that is all the evolutionists have as far
 BW>as proof goes.

I rest my case.  You thought that all evolutionary theory was bawed ont he
fossil record and you had this great quote from Sagan that denigrated
evolution.  What a moron you are Billy.

 > HP> ... You attempted, by quoting him out of context, to make it 
 > HP> seem otherwise. Ergo, you're a liar and we've pointed this out 
 > HP> to you on many occassions. If you're too stupid to get it, 
 > HP> blame your brain.
 BW>Carl Sagan didn't claim that evolution had positively had taken
 BW>place!

YAAAWWWWWNNNNN....just what was he trying to tell us, Liar?


Flee the echo billy.  You are a liar and a fool.  Don't claim to
be agnostic. You give them a bad name.