On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 02:50:31 GMT, HR-Defense@aol.com (Human Rights Defense (ShyDavid)) wrote: >On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:50:38 GMT, FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Rev.
>Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>> HR-Defense@aol.com (Human Rights Defense (ShyDavid)) wrote:
>>
>> >[**] The crime syndicate called an Emergency Medical Response
>> >Team in, first claiming a automobile accident had occured. Then
>> >they called in, claiming a building fire. In my opinion, they
>> >were planning on moving the body into a car and then setting it
>> >on fire, or moving the body into a building and setting it on
>> >fire..... but the person in charge of the cover-up moved too
>> >fast, got confused, and botched the job. (When a body is burned
>> >beyond recognition, it is not easy to move: parts fall off, and
>> >fluids spew about.) The presence of two human rights activists
>> >outside the cult compound may have added to that hurry and
>> >confusiuon. My speculation may be wrong, but it still requires a
>> >real investigation, by someone who is educated about Scientology
>> >Inc.'s criminal nature.
>First off, I object to your putting the word "murder" in the
>Subject: line. It was a homicide, not a murder.
I agree. It has all the earmarks of an accident, though it is the sort of accident you would get playing Russian roulette with every other chamber loaded. It is on a par with they did that killed Ashlee Shaner 5 weeks earlier. >Second off, it is pure speculation on your part what Hoden knew
>or did not know---- when you speculate, make damn sure you state
>you are speculating.
>> I never thought of that possibility. It could very well be that Ken
>> Hoden (is that the right spelling?) who was the first crime syndicate
>> supporter to come out and make you guys leave with him was trying to
>> get you guys out of the way quickly before the authorities showed up
>> so that they could move the body.
>That is not how I see it: Hoden was sent out to take us away
>because the crime syndicate did not want us to see the coronor
>show up to remove the latest body. They also wanted us away from
>there so that the news media could not interview us: we have
>picket signs that said, in effect, "STOP KILLING PEOPLE."
>> Transporting the remains to a
>> vehicle out on the highway and then setting it on fire would mean the
>> crime syndicate would need a good 15 minutes of unobserved time.
>The siren ran for aproximately 9 minutes, as far as I recall.
>Department Twenty was sent out to make us go away a bit less than
>two minutes later. The first news team arrived about 7 minutes
>after that. In my opinion, your hypothesis fails on two accounts:
>(1) the time frame is too shart to stage an accident, and (2)
>most cars do not burn when they crash. Or in other words, while
>the crime syndicate might have BRIEFLY thought about staging a
>car crash, they quickly abandoned that plan because it was not
>workable. To put a body in a car and have it slam into some
>obstruction, puncture the gasoline tank, and set it on fire could
>take 30 or 40 minutes.
At least. I think a low level person called for an ambulance before any of the upper level people could consider how to do a cover up. >> The criminals placed their call about the car fire, found out you
>> guys couldn't be duped into leaving the crime scene so that put the
>> kaibosh on that sceme.
>Perhaps. We may never know.
>> They then tried a fall-back plan to dump her
>> into a building and set fire to it, tried to move the body, found
>> that they couldn't, then had no choice but to leave the remains and
>> try to get a "shore story" down to lie their way out of the homicide,
>> making sure that nobody admitted that she was in there being punished.
First as I have said before, I really doubt she was being punished. It is barely possible that someone noticed her waving to me two days before she died, and she was being punished for that, but I consider it to be remote. I just don't think Stacy was the kind of person to get in trouble. I suppose they could have been organized enough to consider taking her out and burning her in a building. But all that would have done is cover up sending her into the hot transformer vault. They would still have had a body to explain. But I don't think they even tried to move her. The cult members are whimps and trying to move a body that burned (one hand was entirely burned off) was likely beyond them. It really pisses me off that they would send her into a hot vault on a rickety and too short ladder. But that is the kind of foolish thing you do when you are brainwashed into thinking you have total control over matter, energy, space and time. I would not be a bit surprised if they internally blamed it on me, Barb, and Shy David. Keith Henson >That last part is my opinion, yes.
>> That explains the lies the crime syndicate called into the authorities
>> with until settling on their final version.