Transcript of Wagoner interview by Tony Greer of Gold Base "victims"

From: elrond1@home.com (Gregg)
Subject: Transcript of Wagoner interview by Tony Greer of Gold Base "victims"
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 17:32:16 GMT
Organization: Temple of At'L'An
Message-ID: <3b434d72.257547304@news2.lightlink.com>

These things are amazing. Might be useful for folks doing cult studies. This was done I think August 16 of 2000 Keith Henson

***************** TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEWS AT GOLDEN ERA PRODUCTION STUDIOS, 2000 SIDE ONE
TONY GREER: OK. All right, I'll get you out of here as quick as we can. I know you're busy. WAGONER: That's fine, because you know if I can help I really want to do that. TG: OK. First, what's your last name? WAGONER: Wagoner. TG: Spell it for me. WAGONER: W-a-g-o-n-e-r. TG: B-r-u-c-e? WAGONER: That's right. And here's my card in case you ever need it. TG: What's your date of birth? WAGONER: September the 27th, 1959. TG: And what's your home address? WAGONER: It's uh I actually live in the apartments that are on Kirby. TG: What's that address? W: The address is 750 North Kirby, Apartment 5B. All my correspondence or whatever, if you should need, will go to that same TG: Through the Church, right? ?? To Golden Era? W: Yeah, we we're eventually going to be moving in there within about a year or so. TG: Oh, OK. W: So it will legitimately be a home address by that time. TG: OK. Tell me about what you know a little bit . . . Tell me a little bit about what you know about Keith Henson? W: About Keith Henson? TG: About what's going on, yeah. W: Well, I mean I know about that . . . I know various things about him, and I know things about what he does. The thing what he does that affects us is he'll come out to our uh property and he'll go up and down the road out there in front of the place with his picket signs and sometimes he'll bring un an associate or friend or whatever you want to call 'em. TG: Uh-huh. W: Maybe it'll be himself, maybe it'll be someone else. Um I know the guy has some sort of a personal beef with the Church that seems to be very deep seated with him? TG: Uh-huh. W: Um I think he'd like to do the church in? TG: When you say, "do the church in," what do you mean? W: I think he'd like to do 2 things. I think he would like to do physical harm to the people that work there . . . TG: Why do you think that? W: Because he has made various threats concerning what he might do, and I know enough about the man's past as an individual that I consider him to be a dangerous person. TG: Um how do you know about these threats? W: There have been various things he's posted on the Internet, and I've read quite a few of them. I've been briefed on them as well. TG: By? W: Ken . . . mainly Ken Hoden. Um. He . . . Ken's our general manager, and uh we've taken various measures uh that we are keeping in place while this man is around, to protect our staff, because we consider him to be a threat. TG: OK. Wh . . . what about his past that you know? W: What about it? TG: Yeah. W: Uh I know he knows about explosives. He's a demolitions . . . I don't know if I should call him an expert. He knows about blowing up things. He's made bombs and blown them up with a detonator. Uh he actually seems to think it's OK to teach children how to make pipe bombs. I guess he doesn't have any qualms about what might happen if somebody did. I know he's done other pretty sordid things, like he was involved in an outfit that I think was based in Riverside earlier that froze peoples' bodies, and allegedly you know they were doing this so they could be revived in the future or something like that, you know. And you know he would take and cut their heads off because they didn't want to store the whole body because it cost too much to refrigerate 'em, on some wild idea that they could bring the head back to life, you know? TG: Where'd you hear about this thing? W: Oh I've read . . . I've read things about this in a uh package of information on him that I was given by Ken. Also, there's a book that I've read that has something about this man. It's called uh (with slow emphasis) The Great Mambo Chicken and . . . and something. It's got this weird name. And it talks about him and his wife and their explosions in the desert and so on, and I'm pretty sure that same book has some of this information about this cryonics thing. Um to me it's kinda ridiculous. It can't be more than a scam, but . . . but to me that somebody would be involved in that is kind of an attestation that their character is not exactly what I would consider, you know, something you would want to be associated with. I think that's warped behavior myself. TG: Do you, as a person, eliminating the church aspect . . . W: Yes. TG: . . . do you actually feel threatened that he might uh blow up the church or hurt somebody here? W: Yeah, I . . . I . . . I think he's capable of something like that. I think he might do it, and I think he has enough uh vengeance against uh let's say me because I'm part of that ?? And that . . . that's something I believe, and I think he hates enough he could do something like that. He could ?? it. TG: Have you ever seen him personally? W: Yeah. TG: When he pickets? W: Yeah, I've walked down the road with him. TG: Oh, could you be one of the people involved who was staying with him when he walked down the road? W: Not recently, no. This basically happened uh . . . He . . . he had been doing this sometime earlier? I don't know, a couple years ago we had a TRO against him for a little while that was in Ken's name, and when he originally showed up at that time I ended up out there on the road with him one day because I was around or something and went out to see what he wanted, you know, was the guy was having a problem and could we help him? (Short laugh) That was my first and only face-to-face encounter with the man. I have seen him numerous times since but not up close like that. TG: Um I'm sure it was something to ask you. (Pause) Oh! So can you explain the uh the . . . the . . . the beeper system that you guys have set up out there as far as Mr. Henson is uh involved? It's (real?) activated? W: Yeah. Yeah, Ken. We have these things. We all have 'em. They have these little message things. You can see how it says . . . this one says for me to call a certain number . . . TG: Right. W: . . . you know, and then I would call Ken's office, and this one says, "Detectives are here. Come to the lot." That's when you guys arrived. So we have this thing we can send these little messages. A lot of staff have 'em. Now what we do whenever he shows up is we have this drill we do, and there's certain . . . a certain number of people who are part of this drill and they participate in it every time, and they've been briefed on the guy pretty thoroughly-enough to know that, you know, like ?? What they do is they send out a "Henson drill activated." The crew has been briefed, and they know what's happening. It means the guy's up on the road. It means we're supposed to stay away from the road. They're supposed not to be up near the fence where they would be in sight of him or you know within range of you know chuck a grenade or whatever. Where they're removed from all the sidewalks and stuff that are up near the fence where the road is. They're supposed to then go through . . . we have 2 tunnels, go on around, ??? whichever one ??? Sometimes we ?? one end. Sometimes we shift everybody over to the east one. If he's at the east, we shift everybody over to the west. That being uh to keep them out of his path. TG: Why? W: Well, 'cause there . . . there is a fear that he might uh you know throw an incendiary or an explosive device over there, because he knows full well where the tunnel is, you know, sees where people come up the stairs, and he could easily chuck some explosive device over there where people . . . um. Aside from that, at a serious level, he's insulting TG: Um-hm. W: You know, that's neither here nor there. And you know he can go out there and walk around ??? That's not the issue. I mean, what are you going to do? You might not like it, but that's the way it is in the world. He's got his own viewpoint, but when it comes down to you know is it safe to walk up the stairs 'cause he might chuck somethin over there and blow ya up. That's different, so we do this to keep the staff in there to stay away from the road. And we also do ??? musters 'cause we have a like a little meeting after because everybody feels up tight and like OK and if there's any announcements to be made about things are going on for the day fine, and it'll also be brought up like OK, the drill's on, the drill's off, and we also have other at our division at the various locations that are able to keep an eye on the gates 'cause they open and close 'cause we have vendors and so on. So we actually have to take somebody off their job and put 'em out there at a gate or ??? And they're there in case we can't go on through or something they can tell us they're coming through or call security, and that's . . . those are precautions we take to try and make it safer for the crew. TG: Were you briefed at all about uh my interview today prior to the interview? W: No. TG: No? W: No. TG: OK. So prior to today you had no idea you were going to be interviewed? W: Well, I had been told mm I don't know, maybe 2 weeks ago that. . . . that I might need to speak to a detective because you know they knew I was there, and that you would ask Ken for some people, and Ken said I might be one of the ones, so I did know that there was a possibility that I would be talking to you. TG: OK. Were . . . were you told what to say? W: No. TG: OK. OK, Bruce. Thanks. W: Are we done? TG: Yeah, that's it. W: Do you need me to hang around for anything? TG: No, no, that's it. Since you brought your own card, you can go ahead and uh I'll walk you back out the back. W: OK. Well, if you need me for anything further you have my card . . . ?? TG: Yup.