On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:58:21 -0700, demystify@freedom.net wrote: >On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:31:22 GMT, referen@bway.net (Diane
>Richardson) wrote:
snip >>Sorry, but that's not what I understand occurred. Henson followed
>>buses from Golden Era to apartments in Hemet, copied down license
>>plate numbers of cars parked at the apartment building, and verbally
>>harrassed the people getting of the bus.
There might be some, but I am not aware of any individual who works at gold base (other DM's limo) having a car. I never spoke to any of the people getting off the buses, only the radio carrying guard in the bushes where I offered him a Xenu flyer. (He did not speak.) >Nope, the license numbers he wrote down were those of people
>stalking him. He took them to check to see if they were PIs who
>have a free "license" to stalk people, or if they were just plain
>stalkers. As soon as he started doing this, the stalkers were
>issued new cars with dealer placards rather than license plates so
>he couldn't identify them.
That's the case. Of the cars they used to follow me where I was able to run license plates they all turned out to be rentals. >AFAIK, there has never been any indication that Keith took down any
>license numbers at the compounds, although now that you mention it,
>perhaps it would have been a good idea for him to check there to see
>if any of the cars that were stalking him came from there.
As above, the parking lots of the two apartments are deserted. You can't afford a car on $40 a week or whatever they are paid. >>I don't believe I've ever seen anyone claim that Golden Era Studios
>>employees were stalking Keith Henson.
>Most certainly some of them were, and most probably, several of them
>did not have PI licenses. Some of them, like Ed Richardson and the
>person claiming to be Frank Petty have been identified, many others
>have not.
>
>Keith has pictures and video of these people stalking himself, his
>wife and his daughter, all over the state, including video of an
>attempt to run him down in a parking lot by a Golden Era employee.
This was up on the dweeb web sift for a while. >>>The "residences" he drove past were locked and guarded compounds
>>>where Scientologists® are kept from leaving.
>>Again, you are speaking from ignorance. Henson followed buses
>>full of Golden Era Studio employees from the compound to an
>>apartment building in the town of Hemet. I've never heard anyone
>>claim that building was a "locked and guarded compound." Do
>>you have anything to support your claim?
>Yes. Go look for yourself. The gates are locked, there are guards
>watching (and taking pictures of Henson whenever he drives by).
The apartments on Fruitvale are normal. The one on Kirby has gates and high fences and the buses load inside. >Perhaps someone in the area can take a picture and post it (that is
>of course, if you wouldn't consider it "stalking").
I made photos of both places and I think I posted some of them on web sites last summer >Do you think it is unreasonable for someone to try to identify who
>is stalking them 24 hours a day with a half dozen cars and a motor
>home, terrorizing a retirement community with stories about making
>bombs and falsely claiming that Keith was a "criminal"?
>>>Is that a case of
>>>"stalking residences", or of determining the level of control the
>>>cult takes to victimize their members?
>>It is a case of stalking employees of Golden Era Studios and
>>harrassing them at their residences, the same behavior we used
>>to condemn when it was done by scientologists against picketers.
>>>Checking out a cult owned compound
>>What "locked and guarded cult owned compound" are you
>>talking about?
>Both compounds in Hemet where the culties are housed. Go look at
>them yourself if you don't believe it.
>>>is somewhat different than posting stalkers in a
>>>residential neighborhood and then using that to try to get Ida
>>>thrown out of her home by terrorizing the neighbors.
>>As I see it, Keith Henson's behavior was the same as that done
>>by CoS private investigators. I condemn the behavior of both.
>>Why are you willing to condemn such behavior when done by
>>the CoS but defend such behavior when engaged in by Keith
>>Henson?
>I consider identifying stalkers to be a different class of activity
>than stalking.
>>>How do you feel about "taking pictures" of people? Is taking
>>>pictures of someone who is stalking you at your home different than
>>>taking hundreds of pictures of a citizen wherever he goes?
>>It is my understanding he took photographs of Golden Era Studio
>>workers exiting the bus and entering their homes. Is this incorrect?
I might have, but I never got close enough for the photographs to be useful for relatives to identify their missing loved ones. >AFAIK, yes, that is incorrect. He did take pictures of the guards
>at the compounds, but I consider that to be a different type of
>activity.
>>>>Critics seem to be genuinely eager to push the "terrorism" charge,
>>>>of which Keith Henson was not convicted. He was convicted
>>>>for interfering with the rights of individuals to practice their
>>>>religion.
>>>The cult is calling it "terrorism". Do you feel that they are
>>>correct in this charge?
>>No. I think a better description of Keith Henson's behavior
>>is "harrassment of individuals solely because of their religious
>>affiliation."
>I don't believe that Keith has ever targeted individuals. He does
>target getting the truth out to the membership in general of a group
>performing illegal and abusive activities that have caused the death
>of many of them.
>>>>Of course, it's so much sexier and attention-grabbing to lie
>>>>and claim Henson fled from manufactured charges of terrorism,
>>>>but he's a fugitive because he chose to harrass
>>>>individuals whose only crime was belonging to the CoS.
>>>Where do you find, in the record, that Keith harassed ANY
>>>individuals?
>>From: Keith Henson (hkhenson@netcom3.netcom.com)
>> Subject: Hemet again
>> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
>> Date: 2000/08/02
>>
>>I was out there at about 7:25 this morning. One of the buses was
>>going into town and since I had a car they had not seen before, I
>>followed the bus. I was hoping to find yet another bed of clams, but
>>no luck. I think they are concentrated in the apartments on Fruitvale
>>and the one which looks like a medium security prison on Kirby. (Why
>>care? Address for the mail campaign.)
>>__________________
>Yes, looking for more locked and guarded compounds.
>> From: Keith Henson (hkhenson@netcom3.netcom.com)
>> Subject: Re: Back in Hemet
>> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
>> Date: 2000/07/23
>>
>>After a cold drink at a local entheta center (Jack in the Box) we were
>>headed back to Ida's, going back through the cult compound and down
>>Sanderson. But Brent wanted to see the cult apartments, so we turned
>>around. That happened to put us behind one of the cult buses. I told
>>Brent they would turn either east or west at Menlo because the
>>apartments are to the east and west of State Street. They realized we
>>were behind them because the bus didn't turn and went all the way to
>>Florida (Hwy 74) before turning to the west. I think we got more PIs
>>who were in a new black pickup. The bus started to turn up Kirby
>>(where the cult apartments are which look like a medium security
>>prison) but the turn signal went off and the bus went on down to
>>Sanderson and then turned north. We were mainly going somewhere else,
>>so we continued to down Florida. Later I took Brent by both sets of
>>apartments, the one on Kirby twice. When we went by the Kirby
>>apartments the second time, the same bus was loading parked over on
>>Menlo pointed back toward the cult compound. I don't know
>>what to make of this, since the bus normally loads inside the gates.
>>_____________________________
>So it looks like he showed Brent not only the compounds (we could
>ask him what his impression of them was), but the cult was stalking
>him at the same time.
>>From hkhenson Mon Jul 3 23:10:56 2000
>>From: Keith Henson <hkhenson@netcom3.netcom.com>
>>Subject: Re: Gold base not dull
>>Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
>>
>>This morning I got out there before 7am. I was not early enough to
>>follow the buses back to the two clam apartments, but all four went by
>>my picket signs within a ten minute period close to 7 am.
>>
>>The buses make another run after this. I followed one of them over to
>>the apartments on Kirby and found one at the Fruitvale Apartment as
>>well. The first one tried to shake me off, hard to do in a bus, and
>>stopped for a while at a gas station to call. They sure are paranoid.
>>The Fruitvale apartments have a security guy playing hide and seek in
>>the bushes with a radio. I offered him an OT3/Xenu flyer. It was
>>somewhat like offering garlic to a vampire, but I could tell there was
>>a certain degree of fascination--because otherwise he would never find
>>out what OT3 was all about. Ah well, there are several Xenu flyers
>>inside gold base, perhaps he will see one.
>>_______________________________
>Sounds like a locked and guarded compound to me.
The apartments at Fruitvale, doesn't have a locked fence, just guards. >>From hkhenson Wed Jul 12 21:21:24 2000
>>From: Keith Henson <hkhenson@netcom3.netcom.com>
>>Subject: Re: Picket, fun with thugs (gold base)
>>Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
>>
>>After one pass to the east end of the complex, I stayed near the west
>>end where the buses are parked. 5 pm and no movement, 5:30, still
>>there, 6, 6:30, thug 2 gave up at 6:45 and Richardson followed 5
>>minutes later. 7 pm and the buses had not moved. Finally pity for
>>those who had been there since 7 am got to me. (Though they might
>>have moved them back to the apartments in the small vans.)
>>
>>I think by preventing buses from operating this afternoon I equaled
>>(but did not exceed) Bruce Pettycrew's SP powerz of hardening concrete
>>in a wheelbarrow.
>>
>>I have a hard time *imagining* what it must be like inside the cult's
>>compound. The dwarf must be spitting fire in all directions at the
>>complete mess *one* wog is causing. Of course, I have to give credit
>>where credit is due to (*) for acting like a madman.
>>
>>Sweet paranoid dreams Davie.
>>
>>Keith Henson,
>>Reporting from the Hemet front.
>"Preventing the busses from operating" is purely standing there with
>a sign that the cult doesn't want their members to see. Do you
>consider spreading the truth to be a "crime"? Is it Keith's actions
>of having a sign, or the cult's decision not to let their members
>see that sign that "prevents" the busses from moving?
That might have been an incorrect assumption on my part. Perhaps they were all out of gas. But if my sign did have that effect . . . . "Don't let anyone on the buses! Henson is out there with a NO OTs sign." >>__________________________
>>
>>From: Keith Henson <hkhenson@netcom3.netcom.com>
>>Subject: Re: Fifty Thousand "Clears"?
>>Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
>>References: <280f7466.4aaf6332@usw-ex0104-025.remarq.com>
>><20000708163025.02063.00001368@ng-cv1.aol.com>
>>
>>Ok. I am more than willing to demonstrate the effect I have on gold
>>base. You stand on the west overpass and just watch how the foot
>>traffic under the road stops when I am any place close on the road.
>>
>>Or watch a van back up wildly from the west gate if I show up.
>>
>>> So what if two people or five people come out to talk to him?
>>
>>Heck, for almost two weeks nobody would say boo. Then they brought
>>out two thugs.
>>> Does that mean > he has enturbulated the whole place? NO! It means 2
>>> people are out talking with him, if that is true.
If you believe the testimony, indeed anyone with a sign invokes the Henson drill and enturbulates the whole place. Amazing. >>You have to go from one side of the complex to the other. You either
>>have to ride a van or get clearence to go under the road from some
>>dude who knows where I am. It is *nuts*.
>>
>>You should see what happens when I go to watch them load the buses.
>>The bus just sits there.
>Hiding their members from perhaps learning the truth again. Is that
>your version of something "criminal" that Keith did, or is it
>evidence that Keith is doing exactly what he says, and the cult is
>keeping members from seeing the truth. Note that *they* *sent* two
>people out to talk to him, not the other way around.
Of course, before the police had a bit of a heart to heart talk with Richardson and thug 2, their idea of "talking" was to get within 3 inches of my face and yell at me. >>____________________________
>>
>>From: hkhenson@pacbell.net (hkhenson@pacbell.net)
>> Subject: Re: Why does the IRS consider this charitable activity?
>> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
>> Date: 2001-01-27 10:30:18 PST
>>
>>Another example is their fear of me following, or even just driving
>>behind their buses when traveling to the same place. They have pulled
>>off the road to prevent me from following the buses to their two well
>>known appartment locations in Hemet. (Kirby and Fruitvale.) Again, I
>>suppose when you worry about being invaded from space, fearing that
>>someone will force a bus off the road with an economy car is a
>>downright reasonable fear.
>>
>>Still, this is going to be an interesting arguement for the DA to put
>>on the record before the whole world. The message will not be lost on
>>the net, join scientology and become mentally damaged.
>>
>>Keith Henson
>>_______________________________
>>>On the other hand, is there any indication that the
>>>cult singled out Keith as an individual to harass?
>>Indeed, there's quite a bit of information indicating they've singled
>>Henson out as an individual to harrass. I don't believe that gives
>>Keith Henson the right to harrass others.
Picketing on a public road is not harassing. >>>>What's happened to the critics? I thought the consensus opinion
>>>>was the the organization of the CoS was fair game, but individual
>>>>Scientologists didn't deserve to be harrassed.
>>>
>>>Where did Keith harass and individual Scientologist® (other than
>>>taking pictures of the ones who stalked HIM at his home or at places
>>>he was staying)? The people who complained in court about him were
>>>people he had never even heard of, complaining that they were afraid
>>>that he was going to "throw bombs" over the fence at Gold, while at
>>>the same time, they never took the "threat" seriously enough to even
>>>have his car checked for the "bombs" he was supposedly carrying.
>>I suspect these were the people Henson was harrassing by regularly
>>stalking them from workplace to home. As you've stated above, none
>>of these individuals had done *anything* to Henson, yet Henson was
>>stalking them on an almost daily basis last summer.
>>
>>>The only thing he "did" to them was to carry a sign.
>>
>>No, he followed them from their workplace to their homes, reporting
>>upon his stalking activities regularly on this newsgroup.
I tend to think of a home as a family place, a married couple or at the very minimum, a single person in an apartments. Consider Stacy Moxon Meyer. She was married, but her husband was assigned elsewhere and she was living in a room at Kirby with several other people. I don't think this fits the concept of a home. A dorm maybe. >>>>It now looks like anything a self-proclaimed critic does to
>>>>anyone who dares to identify himself as a scientologist will
>>>>not only be defended but applauded on a.r.s.
>>>>
>>>>Fair game comes full circle.
>>As you can see from his posts excerpted above, Henson was
>>expressing his delight and glee at creating anxiety and fear
>>among Goldern Era Studio employees, none of whom he
>>knew personally. The only reason he picked out these people
>>to harrass and intimidate was because of their religious affiliation.
No, I would do it to any group which had killed someone like they did Lisa McPherson or the two women who died at gold base that spring. Know any hardware stores or banks which have done so recently? >And it has *nothing* to do with either identifying who was stalking
>him, or getting the truth out to the members? I guess I don't have
>to mention your delusions here, or the incredible spin you seem to
>be trying to put on the situation.
I tried to get a photograph of a board with the apartments numbering at Fruitvale. Couldn't read the numbers off the photograph. I went back and just copied the numbers down on paper. The numbers went to Arnie for postcards. Because it was inside a locked fence, there was no way to get the numbers off the Kirby apartments. One thing I was after was good photographs of staff members to put up on the sites where people are looking for lost family members. But I got very few which were good enough. I was always on the lookout for Andre Tabayoyon's son, but never got a picture of him. Keith Henson >>Diane Richardson
>>referen@bway.net