On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:12:17 GMT, rebecca-hartong@cox.rr.com (Rebecca Hartong) wrote: snip >Look. I'm not saying it's impossible that she really was ordered into the
>vault. I'm just saying you've got to have better evidence that this was
>what really happened.
Rebecca, it is possible that flying monkeys carried her into the vault. But I think we would both agree it is unlikely. Correct me if I am wrong, but what you are saying is you think it is more likely she went into a vault (in a highly secure area) to inspect for squirrels on her own because of her personal concern for these rodents than it was that she went into the vault because there was an organizational concern for squirrels getting into the wires and knocking the power off as had happened three weeks before. >The argument that 'this is what happened and we know
>it's true because Scientologists generally operate in thus-and-such kind
>of way and we all know they're trained liars anyway....' well, that just
>doesn't work for me.
Well, they *are* trained to lie, "outflow false data." We also have the historical example in Snow White where they went to great lengths to keep Hubbard from being investigated. Chances are high that the order to inspect the transformer vaults for rodents came down from DM after the power had been knocked off in the middle of the summer. Telling the truth would have caused all sorts of problems for him, and if there is anything scientologists don't want it is a flap which causes trouble for the top dog. > Apparently, it doesn't work too well for the medical
>examiner who ruled her death an accident, either. (I know, I know... s/he
>must have been bribed by the Scientologists... just like all the judges
>who've ever ruled in favor of the CoS must also have been bribed... sigh.)
I doubt it was necessary. People who investigate industrial accidents are not used to an orchestrated set of falsehoods being given to them--and OSHA did most of the investigation. Tony Greer was quite clear to me that he thought her death was very like some level of homicide, but he told me it would take someone defecting from scientology to prove it. It might have changed by now, but until recently the case was not closed. But since you have come to this conclusion, how to you account for the story where the electrical guy went away and came back an hour or two later with a vivid story about Stacy asking how to get into the vault the night before when he could not remember any reason for her to go into the vault earlier? My bet--because electrical was his job--was that he was with Stacy when she went into the vault and he had the additional motivation of covering his ass. I wonder whose prints were on the hose looped through the grating but nobody checked it. And, how do you account for the differences in the written stories given to OSHA? They could not even come up with a consistent relation of Stacy to the ground squirrels. The material is all on google if you want me to quote it. Keith Henson