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Investigation continues. Case status remains Active pending a
response from the Medical Examiner's Office regarding Lisa
McPherson's medical records from Morton Plant Hospital.
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FL0520300/ Clearwater Police Department   Report No. 95-29158
Offense  Death Investigation  Date of Report 12/30/96
Location 644 Pierce Street Orig Incident Date   12/6/95
Victim   Lisa McPherson
Investigator   Det. Sgt. Wayne Andrews
Previous Status   Active
Subject  None
Impound Inventory None
NARRATIVE: On 12/30/96, 1 received information over the
Internet from Martin Ottmann of Germany that it was possible
the person I was looking for by the name of Ildiko Cannovas was
actually Ildiko Szabo. Mr. Ottmann indicated that he had
obtained this information from a female that had once stayed
here and worked with Ildiko.
I contacted the Immigrati on &. Naturalization Service in Tampa
and spoke with Inv. Jeff Wolder. I requested that he check
their computers for the name of Ildiko Szabo. A short time
later, he called me and advised that he had found the name of
Ildiko Szabo, DOB 2/6/71, passport #PE504536, who entered the
U.S. in Atlanta, Georgia on 11 /9/93 from Budapest , Hungary,
and was bound for 2 10 S. Ft. Harrison Avenue. He stated that
Ildiko was supposed to leave the U.S. on 11/8/95 but had not
yet shown up in the computer as leaving.
Investigation continues. Case status remains Active.
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FL0520300/Clearwater Police Department Report No. 95-29158
Offense  Death Investigation  Date of Report 12/31/96
1,ocation   644 Pierce Street Orig Incident Date   12/6/95
Victim   Lisa McPherson
Investigator   Det.. Sgt. Wayne Andrews
Previous Status Active
Subject  None
Impound Inventory None
NARRATIVE: On 12/31/96, 1 received information that Martin
Ottmann, W/M, DOB 12 / 14 / 65, address of Ameisenbergstr .32,
70188 Stuttgart, Germany, home phone number 49-711-26-26047,
wished to meet with me and discuss information he felt would be
helpful in this investigation. He had previously sent me
information over the Internet from Germany regarding
Scientology that he felt was useful. Present during the
interview was myself, Det. T.F. Miller, Det. Sgt. Paul Reese,
Deputy Chief Paul Maser, and Mona Boutros, who was representing
the German government.. Mr. Ottmann advised that he'was once a
Scientologist but now works in Germany for different churches
in what would be called an "anti-cult postition". He was very
familiar with what the Scientologist profess as their religion.
He stated that he has previously testified as an expert in
Scientology, and that he wanted to assist us by providing us
information on their beliefs. I briefed Mr. Ottmann on the
public facts of the Lisa McPherson investigation and asked if
he could tell me what would happen td Lisa, according to
Scientology beliefs, once she left Morton Plant Hospital with
Mr. Kartuzinski. He stated that he was familiar with Mr.
Kartuzinski and remembered him being a Senior Case Supervisor
in the Church of Scientology. He stated that the following
things would take place according to the beliefs of the Church
of Scientology:
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She would be taken back to the Church and immediately be put on
an 11E Meter" for an interview to Find out if she was still
psychotic.
She would then be locked in a room and would not be allowed
outside.
Isolation Watch - someone would be assigned to watch her all of
the time around the clock. This person would normally have the
experience of a Class 4 auditor and would be there to do what
Mr. Ottmann said would be a "cooling down". This was explained
to me that Lisa would finally settle down and possibly just be
quiet until they felt she would be on the road to recovery.
Mr. Kartuzinski, the Senior Case Supervisor, would assign a
case supervisor to Lisa McPherson. This person would then begin
to write reports on a day to day ba sis about what was
occurring with Lisa.
During the isolation watch, the staff would not be allowed to
speak with Lisa as there would be a gag order in effect. They
would also not be allowed to speak in her presence. Any
communication between staff members in the presence of Lisa
would be done with hand signals or outside of the room.
The isolation watch would continue until a cool down was
noticed by the Auditor. This would mean that Lisa was being
more responsive to questions.
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An "introspection rundown" would be started and reports from
the people watching her would be forwarded to the case
supervisor. Mr. Ottmann supplied me with approximately twenty
pages of paperwork indicating what an "introspection rundown"
is.
She would be placed on an "E meter" again and the
"introspection rundown" would be continued.
During her stay there, she would probably be getting vitamins,
water,, and some type of vita-mixes supplied for her
nourishment. If she became irrational, the "introspection
rundown" would cease and she would go back into an isolation
watch. Mr. Ottmann advised that he had been told of several
people who had been restricted with handcuffs or leather
restraints in bed until they could cool down again.
Security guards would be placed outside the door of Lisa's room
and would have keys to let people enter and exit.'
The staff would take any action necessary to restrain Lisa as
it is part of their belief regarding the isolation watch.
I asked Mr. Ottmann who would be responsible for taking care of
Lisa at the Church of Scientology according to his
understanding. He stated that the Senior Case Supervisor, Mr.
Kartuzinski, would be responsible but would answer to the
Senior Case Supervisor of Flag Land Base, Richard Reiss. He
stated that, as far as Lisa McPherson's physical health, no one
would make a decision whether or not to move her to a doctor
until the Office Of Special Affairs was contacted. The Office
Of Special
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Affairs would then advise where Lisa McPherson would go for
medical help she needed during her isolation watch or
introspection rundown.
I asked Mr. Ottmann if there would be any type of investigation
because the person who took care of Lisa McPherson at the time
was Janis Johnson, who was listed as the Medical Liaison
Officer and had been an M.D. in Arizona, was listed after Lisa
McPherson's death as a Word Clearer. He stated that there would
be a BOI, which was a Board Of Investigation regarding the
death of Lisa McPherson, and that there was a good chance that
Janis Johnson would be demoted to a Word Clearwater if the
Board felt she was responsible or neglectful in Lisa
McPherson's death. He defined a Word Clearer as someone who
helped church members while they were taking the courses to
define words in their course material.
I asked Mr. Ottmann what his expertise had been when he was a
member of the Church of Scientology. He stated that he was on
the clerical staff and became quite adept at Scientology
paperwork. I asked if he would explain what the records would
be called and where they would be located if I were to subpoena
the records regarding Lisa McPherson.
Pre-clear folders on Lisa McPherson. These folders would be
about her technical progress at the Church of Scientology
during her courses. Knowing the courses that Lisa McPherson has
taken, there should be approximately twenty or thirty folders
under the title of pre-clear. These are probably located at the
book warehouse at East Street & Chestnut Street. The folders
are normally beige in color.
Central flile folders on Lisa McPherson. These folders should
contain letters to the Church of Scientology from Lisa and
letters to Lisa from
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the Church. They would normally contain invoices and
statements, etc. Due to Lisa's death, these should be in the
dead files at HCO Comm Office. Mr. Ottmann indicated that when
he was at the Church of Scientology, the HCO Comm Office was
located on the third floor of the Coachman Building. These
folders are usually blue.
Account folders on Lisa McPherson. These folders should be
regarding all the money exchanged between Lisa and the Church
and would be kept at the Treasury Department in the main Church
of Scientology on Ft. Harrison Avenue.
Ethics folders on Lisa McPherson. These folders would contain
information on all the sins she had committed. These should be
stored at the public MAA Section located on the third floor of
the main Church of Scientology building on Ft. Harrison Avenue.
OSA (Office Of Special Affairs) folders on Lisa McPherson.
These folders would.contain information on all the dealings the
Office Of Special Affairs had with Lisa during her eighteen
years with the Church. Mr. Ottmann stated that, when he was at
the Church, these folders were located on the second floor of
the West Coast Building.
Personnel folders on Lisa McPherson. These folders would
contain an of the personal information on her.
Since Mr. Ottmann had previously been involved with the Church of
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