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From: Bob Minton <bob@minton.org>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 02:24:26 -0400
Message-ID: <Apj5N5xmrERNaPh7s3q9PoYxefK7@4ax.com>
On Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:39:34 -0400, Bob Minton <bob@minton.org> wrote:
>In 1994 Vicki Aznaran entered into an agreement with the Church of Scientology,
>settling any outstandig matters, including her lawsuit against Scientology, and
>accepted money and signed a gag order as part of the deal. In addition,
>Scientology got Vicki to sign the following declarations, which are part of this
>Michael Hertzberg declaration, in which she reversed her position vis a vis
>Scientology 180 degrees. Just to prove she didn't actually "sell out" to
>Scientology, included herein is a declaration in which she specifically assets
>that she did not sell out. It's the last Aznaran declaration in this package.
>
>If you wish to read an affidavit before Vicki sold out, go to:
>ftp://ftp.primenet.com/users/c/cultxpt/aznaran.txt to compare.
Two other thing I forgot to mention. One is that these
affidavits have never been used by Scientology before;
and, secondly, Aznaran was told by Scientology when she signed these affidavits that they would most likely never be used unless there was a dire emergency.
Looks like they may be up shits creek :-) Bob Minton PS It's anticipated that these affidavits and all the 30+ others filed last week in the Wollersheim case will also be filed in the McPherson case where alter-ego might also be a critical issue.
From: Cornelius Krasel <krasel@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de>
Subject: Re: Vicki Aznaran---OSA Whore who sold out: back in Wolly case :-(
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:22:46 +0200
Message-ID: <nk8dt7.g0s.ln@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de>
Bob Minton <bob@minton.org> wrote:
> Two other thing I forgot to mention. One is that these affidavits
> have never been used by Scientology before;
That's not entirely true. The first affidavit was filed in
"Scott vs. Ross" before and has been available on the web
since several years (e.g. from
http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~krasel/CoS/aff/aff_va94b.html,
http://www.sky.net/~sloth/sci/Az2 or
ftp://ftp.lightlink.com/pub/archive/homer/cd18.memo).
However, I have never seen the other ones before.
--Cornelius.
/* Cornelius Krasel, U Wuerzburg, Dept. of Pharmacology, Versbacher Str. 9 */ /* D-97078 Wuerzburg, Germany email: phak004@rzbox.uni-wuerzburg.de SP4 */ /* "Science is the game we play with God to find out what His rules are." */
From: "Alec" <jeaux@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Vicki Aznaran---OSA Whore who sold out: back in Wolly case :-(
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:16:45 -0500
Message-ID: <37f9c227.0@news2.lightlink.com>
Bob Minton wrote in message ...
>In 1994 Vicki Aznaran entered into an agreement with the Church of Scientology,
>settling any outstandig matters, including her lawsuit against Scientology, and
>accepted money and signed a gag order as part of the deal. In addition,
>Scientology got Vicki to sign the following declarations, which are part of this
>Michael Hertzberg declaration, in which she reversed her position vis a vis
>Scientology 180 degrees. Just to prove she didn't actually "sell out" to
>Scientology, included herein is a declaration in which she specifically assets
>that she did not sell out. It's the last Aznaran declaration in this package.
>
>If you wish to read an affidavit before Vicki sold out, go to:
>ftp://ftp.primenet.com/users/c/cultxpt/aznaran.txt to compare.
>
>Bob Minton
Vicki and her husband (well, her 2D) work here in Dallas
as private investigators. I found out from a lawyer who
represented a local evangelist suit, that she operates a
"SPY" equipment store that I had patronized back in 1991.
I went by, hounding Vicki for some ammo against COS, but she was scarce. The Spy shop has since closed down, and she and her relatives whom I tracked down have disappeared off the face of the earth. I don't think she likes me.
I have to wonder if the $25,000.00 meant all that much to her. On this side of $25,000.00 it's a bunch, but on the other side, it's nothing. All those years "poor as a church mouse"... maybe I woulda crumbled too. Naw, I say with great pride I turned down $10,000.00 a year ago next Sunday--to shut up. They didn't like my suggestion that they pay me $10,000.00 every time they say something bad about me.
Yeah Vicki really turned about face in that second affidavit. I turned it in to ATF in September of 1996 with a ream of other affidavits. ATF, nor anyone else in this whole country gives a fuck about Scientology swindling little blokes like you and me. (Hmmm. well, like me and say, Warrior).
David
From: mike@leptonicsystems.com (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Vicki Aznaran---OSA Whore who sold out: back in Wolly case :-(
Message-ID: <mike-0510991047410001@167.206.94.159>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 14:47:42 GMT
In article <rI75N0O1oSgaR9+bMT8PpIWcf5VM@4ax.com>, bob@minton.org wrote:
> My
> position in the church at the time gave me broad access to what was occurring
> and I would have known were the allegations made by Armstrong and Wollersheim
> true. Wollersheim, for example, made the allegation that a pipe bomb was found
> on his parent's lawn and, without any corroboration, blamed the Church. I know
> from my own personal knowledge that this outrageous allegation of Church
> involvement is absolutely false. During the Wollersheim trial, rumors began to
> spread throughout the trial courtroom that Judge Ronald Swearinger had been
> followed, his tires had been slashed, and his pet dog drowned, and that the
> Church was responsible for that supposed activity. All of those allegations of
> Church complicity were false, as I now personally attest. Armstrong alleged the
> Church was trying to kill him and this allegation was just made up. I know of
> its falsity of my own personal knowledge.
I don't think you can testify, for example, "I know the
Judge's dog was not drowned." You testify to what you DID
see and hear. You can testify that you heard person X say
he didn't drown the Judge's dog or order it drowned. You
can't testify the dog wasn't drowned. I am not a lawyer.
--
Mike O'Connor - mike@leptonicsystems.com
<http://www.leptonicsystems.com/>
From: Dave Bird <dave@xemu.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Vicki Aznaran---OSA Whore who sold out: back in Wolly case :-(
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:31:33 +0100
Message-ID: <IBbAVHB14m+3Ew1y@xemu.demon.co.uk>
In article <mike-0510991047410001@167.206.94.159>, Mike O'Connor writes:
>I don't think you can testify, for example, "I know the Judge's dog was
>not drowned." You testify to what you DID see and hear. You can testify
>that you heard person X say he didn't drown the Judge's dog or order it
>drowned. You can't testify the dog wasn't drowned. I am not a lawyer.
I'm not sure what she is saying. I would tend to believe
the judge's testimony in public print that he was
followed, found his car tyres slashed, and found his dog
lying drowned in the pool, over perjuries obtained under a
combination of pressure and large payment.
WERE IT TRUE, she might testify that she was privy to all activity at senior levels in Scientology that might have instigated these actions and was positive that nobody in scientology management was behind them in an official capacity. It would take some believing, though, that she had sufficiently thorough knowledge of everything that was done there to be positive this didn't happen.
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