Scientology
There were some minor changes made since this draft but it is
substantially what was filed on 12-13-99. It may be of use to
others being harassed by the CoS legal machine for irrelevant
depositions whose sole purpose is intelligence gatherings for
further planned harassment.
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS
__________________________________________
)
RELIGIOUS TECHNOLOGY CENTER, a ) Mass. Bus. Misc.
California non-profit corporation, ) No. 99-10211(RCL)
)
Plaintiff, )Case No. C-96-20207 RMW EAI
)Northern District of California
v. )
) ROBERT S. MINTON'S
GRADY WARD, an individual, ) MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT
) OF HIS OPPOSITION TO RTC'S
) MOTION FOR CONTEMPT
) AND TO COMPEL AND
Defendant. ) REQUEST FOR SANCTIONS
)
INTRODUCTION
This Court might well ask why the Religious Technology Center
("RTC"), an arm of the Church of Scientology ("COS"), would go
to the trouble of filing in Massachusetts a Motion to Compel
the testimony of a third party witness over a $10,000 payment
to Grady Ward, a bankrupt individual RTC had sued and settled
with in California. The answer is that the Motion has nothing
to do with Mr. Ward or RTC's suit against him. Instead it is
about harassing that third party witness.
In the Ward bankruptcy proceeding, RTC tried to depose that
witness, Robert S. Minton, on the very topics on which it seeks
to compel Mr. Minton's testimony now. In response to RTC's
earlier motion to compel testimony on those topics, the United
States Bankruptcy Court, sitting in Massachusetts, ruled that
the testimony was irrelevant and the deposition was intended
primarily to harass Mr. Minton and uncover issues on which RTC
or COS would hope to sue him. RTC was ordered by the
Bankruptcy Court to limit its deposition to Mr. Minton's
dealings with Grady Ward and to conduct it by means of written
questions. Apparently, in order to avoid having to ask another
judge to allow a deposition of Mr. Minton on irrelevant
subjects, RTC's counsel promised Mr. Minton's counsel that its
present deposition of Mr. Minton would be limited to two narrow
issues involving Mr. Ward. Based on that representation, Mr.
Minton chose not to seek a protective order and appeared for
his deposition. Instead of keeping its word, RTC's counsel
attempted to conduct a wide-ranging inquiry of precisely the
sort the Bankruptcy Court had earlier rejected. Mr. Minton
answered the questions in the two areas identified by RTC and
declined to answer those RTC had promised not to ask.
Accordingly, RTC's Motion should be denied and Mr. Minton
should be accorded compensation and protection from RTC's
continued misuse of the judicial process.
BACKGROUND
A. RTC's Litigation Against the Defendant, Grady Ward
In this lawsuit, RTC obtained summary judgment against Grady
Ward on July 2, 1997 in the United States District Court for
the Northern District of California (the "Ward Action"). Mr.
Minton was not involved in the underlying events leading to the
Ward Action. He did not assist in the initiation of the
litigation (indeed, that was done by RTC); and he had no
involvement whatsoever in Mr. Ward's defense. Minton Aff.
6. Mr. Minton's sole connection with the Ward Action was to
donate $10,000 to Mr. Ward to use toward his defense costs. Id.
Mr. Ward filed for bankruptcy protection on October 8, 1997.
RTC subsequently brought adversary proceedings to preserve its
claims against Mr. Ward from discharge by the Bankruptcy Court
(the "Bankruptcy Case"). After obtaining an order from the
Bankruptcy Court declaring RTC's claims against Mr. Ward
non-dischargeable, RTC and Mr. Ward settled the Ward Action.
See Jonas Aff. Exs. 2, 3 (Order Pursuant to Judicially
Supervised Settlement and Final Judgment, entered on September
15, 1998). Under the terms of settlement of the Ward Action,
Mr. Ward was to pay to RTC $10,000 due to him in connection
with a book contract between Mr. Ward and Mr. Minton. Id. On
or about April 29, 1999, RTC subpoenaed Mr. Minton in the Ward
Action. The sole reason for RTC's deposition of Mr. Minton
was, in its own words, "in aid of execution [of the settlement
judgment] to question him concerning the book contract and the
payments of money made to [Mr.] Ward." Memorandum in Support
of RTC's Motion for Contempt and to Compel and Request for
Sanctions ("RTC's Memorandum") at 1.
B. Mr. Minton's Assistance to Scientology Critics.
From time to time, Mr. Minton has given financial assistance to
individuals, like Mr. Ward, who find themselves in legal
battles with COS. He has done so out of concern for the way in
which COS treats its critics. Specifically, he finds offensive
COS' litigious nature and its apparent practice of trying to
crush its critics under the heavy weight of litigation. Minton
Aff. 3. For these reasons, he has sometimes offered money to
help certain critics of Scientology defray the costs of
litigation. Among his goals in doing so are to produce a
"fairer fight" and to make it more likely that the matters at
issue get heard and decided by the courts rather than disappear
because one of the litigants cannot afford to continue. Id.
5. The monies contributed by Mr. Minton to these critics of COS
have nothing to do with the Ward Action or RTC's claim against
Mr. Ward under the settlement. They have gone to assist an
individual who obtained a large monetary judgment against COS
(in an intentional infliction of emotional distress suit) in
his efforts to collect on his judgment; to assist a married
couple who, after publicly criticizing COS, were driven out of
their community by COS members; and to assist the family of a
Florida woman suing COS in a wrongful death action arising out
of her death while in the custody of COS. Id. 9-11. In every
case in which Mr. Minton has helped defray litigation costs, he
has done so only after suit was filed; had nothing whatever to
do with the initiation of the suit; and was not at all involved
in the underlying controversy. Id. 4, 7.
C. RTC's Earlier Efforts To Depose Mr. Minton in its Actions
Against Grady Ward and in other Proceedings. 2
Mr. Minton's opposition to Scientology and his support of other
Scientology critics, including Grady Ward, have prompted, among
other things, various efforts by Scientology and its affiliates
to depose him. COS representatives attempted to secure Mr.
Minton's deposition in the wrongful death suit brought against
COS in Florida, (Liebreich v. Church of Scientology, Case No.
97-01235 (Hillsborough County, FL)(the "Florida Lawsuit")),
even though, again, he had no knowledge of or involvement in
the underlying events being litigated. On December 4, 1997,
the court in the Florida Lawsuit denied COS' request to take
Mr. Minton's deposition. Jonas Aff. Ex. 4. Shortly
thereafter, on December 12, 1997, RTC issued its first subpoena
to Mr. Minton in the Ward Bankruptcy Case. Jonas Aff. Ex 5.
The subpoena in the Bankruptcy Case sought the very same
information which RTC now, again, seeks to compel here. For
example, the subpoena sought: Any and all documents reflecting
[agreements with, payments to, and communications with] any
individual or entity, including, without limitation Grady Ward,
H. Keith Henson, Dennis Erlich, Carla Oakley, Harold McElhinny,
Morrison & Foerster, Lawrence Wollersheim, F.A.C.T.Net, Inc.,
Dell Leibriech, or Kennan Dandar who is involved in litigation
in opposition to any Church of Scientology, Bridge
Publications, Inc., or any employee or parishioner of a Church
of Scientology.
Id. Mr. Minton's counsel objected to the subpoena in the
Bankruptcy Case and RTC sought to compel Minton's deposition.
RTC sought the very same testimony that it seeks from Mr.
Minton here. See Memorandum in Support of Motion to Compel the
Deposition of Robert Minton and Request for RTC's Expenses,
Jonas Aff., Ex. 6 at 6-7 (where RTC sought to compel testimony
from Mr. Minton on financial help provided to other critics of
Scientology and his alleged participation in a "larger
conspiracy . . . to damage RTC").
On April 17, 1998, Bankruptcy Judge Kenner issued a
memorandum of decision on the motion to compel Mr. Minton's
deposition (Jonas Aff. Ex. 7) and an order refusing to compel
the deposition sought by RTC . Jonas Aff. Ex. 8.
(collectively the "April 17 Order"). Judge Kenner held that
"RTC left little doubt that it wanted . . . to interrogate
Minton on all his connections to opponents of and litigation
against the Churches of Scientology and their affiliated
entities, but it demonstrated no clear or direct relevance of
those matters to the dischargeability proceedings against
Ward." Jonas Aff. Ex. 7 at 4. The Bankruptcy Court ruled that
RTC cannot depose Mr. Minton on his relationships with other
critics of Scientology and that only his funding of Mr. Ward is
relevant to this matter. See Jonas Aff. Ex. 8 ("RTC may, by
deposition on written questions only, inquire into whether
Robert Minton has information that is relevant to, or
reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of evidence
admissible in, the nondischargeability proceeding against Ward;
this inquiry shall be confined to communications and dealings
between Minton and Debtor Grady Ward")(emphasis added). Among
the reasons for the April 17 Order was RTC's obvious and
improper intent to use the testimony of Mr. Minton (a third
party to the Ward Action) to try to discover grounds on which
to sue him. The Court stated that RTC "clearly" wished to used
the deposition "to seek information that the Church might use
to sue Minton. In sum, the RTC's primary, though not
exclusive, interest in this deposition is for use in matters
and proceedings other than the non-dischargeability action
[against Mr. Ward] . . . Minton has shown good cause for a
protective order; the right to take a deposition is not a
license to conduct a roving inquiry into matters outside the
scope of the present adversary proceeding." Jonas Aff. Ex. 7
at 5-6. Faced with the prospect of deposing Mr. Minton in a
less confrontational and harassing fashion than it desired, and
despite its pleas to Judge Kenner that it vitally needed to
depose Mr. Minton, RTC never sent him a single question. D.
RTC's Present Efforts to Depose Mr. Minton. On April 29, 1999,
RTC served a new subpoena (which is the subject of this Motion)
on Mr. Minton for his deposition in the Ward Action. See
Declaration of
Earle C. Cooley ("Cooley Dec.") filed in support of RTC's
Memorandum, Ex. A. Despite the appearance of Mr. Jonas as
counsel for Mr. Minton in RTC's previous attempt to depose him
in the Bankruptcy Case, RTC chose to subpoena Minton without
notifying Mr. Jonas. Jonas Aff. 16. Mr. Minton's counsel
asked RTC's counsel: (1) why the deposition was necessary; (2)
whether it was appropriate in light of Judge Kenner's April 17
Order; and (3) why RTC had not contacted counsel directly in
light of his representation of Mr. Minton in the related Ward
Bankruptcy Case. Jonas Aff. 17, Ex. 9. He further requested
that RTC inform him if it intended to go beyond the relevant
topics referred to in the April 17 Order. Id. In a response
dated May 13, 1999, RTC's counsel agreed that the "complete
scope" of Mr. Minton's deposition will consist of questions
concerning "Mr. Ward's failure to pay the $10,000 [payable to
RTC under the terms of the settlement] and Mr. Ward's
rescission motion" seeking to set aside the settlement. Jonas
Aff. Ex. 10. Based on that agreement, the deposition
proceeded. E. RTC's Irrelevant and Improper Questioning
Contrary to its agreement to stick to issues relevant to the
Ward settlement, RTC used the deposition of Mr. Minton to
question him on a host of inapposite topics which have nothing
to do with Mr. Ward. RTC's improper questioning included the
following:
1. The particulars of Mr. Minton's personal banking
arrangements. Jonas Aff. Ex. 11 at 8 - 9;
2. Mr. Minton's participation in a demonstration against COS in
Los Angeles. Id. at 25;
3. Mr. Minton's tax filings. Id. at 28, 77 - 79;
4. Meetings between Mr. Minton and COS officials unrelated to
Grady Ward. Id. at 54 - 57 (e.g. "[w]hat transpired at the
meeting, whether or not it was relevant to Mr. Ward?"); and
5. Mr. Minton's financial contributions to and/or dealings with
other critics of COS and a foundation established by those
critics. Id. at 100 - 113, 118 - 123.
Mr. Minton's counsel objected to, and Mr. Minton declined to
answer, questions on these topics. Jonas Aff. Ex. 11.
ARGUMENT
A. RTC's Motion Is Barred by the Earlier Decision of the
Bankruptcy Court on the Very Same Issues Raised Here.
RTC is improperly using this Motion to attempt to gain
discovery that was already denied in the April 17 Order. After
extensive briefing by both sides, the Bankruptcy Court clearly
ruled that RTC cannot depose Mr. Minton on his relationships
with other critics of Scientology and that only his funding of
Mr. Ward is relevant to this matter. Jonas Aff. Ex. 7 at 6 n.
3 ("[n]o justification has been established [by RTC] for
inquiry into Minton's connections and communications with and
support for other "opponents" of Scientology. I find that the
RTC seeks information about these matters solely for use
outside of this proceeding"). RTC now seeks to compel the
exact same testimony, i.e. Mr. Minton's financial
contributions to other critics of Scientology. By bringing
this Motion, RTC is improperly trying to circumvent the April
17 Order. Under the long-standing doctrine of issue preclusion
"a right, question, or fact distinctly put in issue and
directly determined by a court of competent jurisdiction . . .
cannot be disputed in a subsequent suit between the same
parties . . . and even if the second suit is for a different
cause of action, the right, question, or fact once so
determined must, as between the same parties or their privies,
be taken as conclusively established, so long as the judgment
in the first suit remains unmodified." Southern Pacific
Railroad v. U.S., 168 U.S. 1, 48-49 (1897). This doctrine
applies to discovery disputes where a party seeks to relitigate
an issue that was already decided in an earlier litigation.
See e.g. Lehigh Portland Cement Co. v. Swope, 455 F.2d 638 (5th
Cir. 1972)(order denying motion to quash subpoena precludes
relitigation of same issue on motion to enjoin use of evidence
in subsequent action); cf. United States Fidelity & Guaranty
Co. v. Baker Material Handling Corp., 62 F.3d 24 at 29 (1st
Cir. 1995)("[a]mong the available forms of relief from
prejudice occasioned by discovery violations are curative
measures such as . . . orders tailored to effect issue
preclusion").
In the hope of establishing a new theory of relevance for this
line of inquiry, RTC disingenuously argues that Mr. Minton's
payments to others were "placed directly in issue by the
contents of his declarations" filed in support of Mr. Ward's
appeal and other pleadings seeking to set aside the
settlement. RTC's Memorandum at 3. But those declarations
state only that representatives of COS asked Mr. Minton to stop
supporting Mr. Ward. Cooley Aff. Exs. I and J. Mr. Minton
testified fully on those discussions. Jonas Aff. Ex. 11 at 45
- 53. Because RTC has not offered a single reason to
distinguish the situation here from the circumstances addressed
in the April 17 Order, this Court should give the Bankruptcy
Court's ruling effect here. B. The Discovery Sought by RTC
Against Mr. Minton Is not Relevant to the Ward Action.
Apart from the effect of the April 17 Order, the discovery
sought by RTC against Mr. Minton is not relevant under Fed. R.
Civ. P. 26(b)(1). RTC bears a particularly heavy burden here
to show relevance in light of the fact that the underlying suit
was directed at Mr. Ward's actions and the Complaint makes no
mention of Mr. Minton. RTC's alleged interest in seeking to
discover Mr. Minton is "to question him concerning the book
contract [with Mr. Ward] and the payments of money he made to
Ward." RTC's Memorandum at 1. However, as discussed supra,
the questions to which RTC now seeks to compel answers relate
to Mr. Minton's financial dealings with others, not Mr. Ward,
and to the particulars of Mr. Minton's bank account and tax
treatment of payments made to Mr. Ward in the past. There is
simply no connection between the avowed purpose of the
deposition and the discovery now sought by RTC. RTC's
Memorandum reproduces many of these clearly irrelevant
questions at pages 8 and following (e.g. "When did you make
advances to Wollersheim and in how many increments? Did you
give any money to Arnie Lerma? Did you give money to Mr.
Henson? Did you purchase the Vashon Island property and the
cat sanctuary? etc). As Judge Kenner made clear in her April
17 Order, the primary purpose of such questions is to gather
information which COS hopes to cobble into a lawsuit against
Mr. Minton. Jonas Aff. Ex. 7 at 4. The use of a deposition in
the Ward Action to elicit information in the hope of suing Mr.
Minton is sufficient in itself to deny RTC's motion.
RTC argues that Magistrate Judge Infante's Order dismissing Mr.
Ward's Motion for Protective Order somehow opened up the
permissible scope of Mr. Minton's deposition. RTC Memorandum
at 2. This utterly unfounded argument must be rejected,
because the scope of Mr. Minton's deposition was not even
raised by Magistrate Judge Infante. Mr. Ward's Motion sought
only to stay Mr. Minton's deposition until the litigation
between RTC and Mr. Ward was resolved or RTC succeeded in
obtaining an order of execution of the settlement judgment.
Jonas Aff. Ex. 17. The Court never addressed, nor was it asked
to address, the scope of Mr. Minton's deposition, only its
timing. RTC's Memorandum at 17 ("Magistrate Judge Infante . . .
made no finding [on the relevance] of any of the subjects that
RTC wished to address"). Like the questions about Mr.
Minton's payments to others, RTC has failed to demonstrate any
relevance whatsoever to its numerous questions seeking
information about the particulars of Mr. Minton's bank account
and how he treated past payments to Mr. Ward for tax
purposes. See e.g. RTC's Memorandum at 4 - 6. Mr. Minton
provided RTC with the dates, amounts and particulars of each
payment to Mr. Ward. See Cooley Dec. Ex. P. He also testified
at length about the circumstances of those payments. Jonas
Aff. Ex. 11 at 8 - 25. RTC now seeks to compel copies of the
checks to Mr. Ward in order to identify Mr. Minton's bank. But
RTC offers no explanation, legitimate or otherwise, as to why
that information is relevant. Moreover, the relevance of RTC's
equally inappropriate interest in Mr. Minton's taxes is also
unexplained in RTC's Memorandum. C. The Discovery Should Be
Disallowed as an Attempt by RTC to Continue its Campaign of
Harassment of Mr. Minton.
Aside from the need to establish the relevance of the
discovery, there are other important principles at work here.
First, all persons are entitled under Fed. R. Civ. P. 26(c) and
30(d)(3) to protection against unreasonable discovery which
would cause "annoyance, embarrassment, oppression, or undue
burden or expense." Second, non-parties are afforded even
greater protection against harassing or inconvenient
discovery. Dart Industries Co. v. Westwood Chemical Co., 649
F.2d 646, 649 (9th Cir. 1980); In Re Candor Diamond Corp., 26
B.R. 847, 849 (S.D.N.Y. 1983)("[r]estrictions on discovery may
be broader where a non-party is the target of discovery to
protect such third parties from unnecessary harassment,
inconvenience, expense or disclosure of confidential
information"). Finally, discovery requests against non-parties
designed for use in different proceedings or for purposes of
discovering a reason to sue the non-party are improper.
Oppenheimer Fund v. Sanders, 437 U.S. 340, 352-353 (1978)("when
the purpose of a discovery request is to gather information for
use in proceedings other than the pending suit, discovery is
properly denied"); Blout International, Ltd. v. Schuylkill
Energy Resources, Inc., 124 F.R.D. 523, 527 (D. Mass.
1989)(plaintiff should not be permitted to take discovery of
non-party for purpose of discovering cause of action against it
in another suit).
RTC's deposition questions violate each of these principles
and, in light of the COS' pattern of out-of-court harassment of
Mr. Minton, should not be enforced. Since learning that Mr.
Minton has provided financial support to COS critics, COS has
threatened to "attack" him in various ways; hired private
investigators to harass his family and former business
associates; had his two young daughters followed; tried to turn
his friends and neighbors against him with repeated leafleting
of his neighbor-hood; and threatened suit against him. Minton
Aff. 13 - 19. Even documents filed in support of RTC's Motion
to Compel are replete with statements by Scientology officials
admitting their campaign to harass Mr. Minton. See Cooley Dec.
Exs. K, L and M ("Frank Ofman, a spokesman for the Boston-area
branch of the Church of Scientology, said church members
distributed . . . leaflets [accusing Mr. Minton of bigotry] .
. . Church officials acknowledged that they have conducted
their own investigation into Minton's funding practices" and
"Church officials . . . acknowledged picketing [Mr. Minton's]
house and using private investigators to examine his
background"). Given the total lack of relevance of the
testimony RTC is seeking to compel, the present Motion is
obviously just another form of COS-sponsored harassment. 8
Wright & Miller, Federal Practice and Procedure §2036 (2d ed.
1994)(citing United Airlines, Inc. v. U.S., 26 F.R.D. 213, 219
n.6 (D. Del. 1960))("discovery has limits and . . .these limits
grow more formidable as the showing of need decreases"). At
least one other court has explicitly noted the RTC's abuse of
the litigation process to silence COS critics. In Religious
Technology Center v. Lerma, 908 F. Supp. 1353, 1360 (E.D. Va.
1995), the court made the following finding: [T]he Court is now
convinced that the primary motivation of RTC suing Lerma, DGS
and The [Washington] Post is to stifle criticism of Scientology
in general and to harass its critics. As the increasingly
vitriolic rhetoric of its briefs and oral argument now
demonstrate, the RTC appears far more concerned about criticism
of Scientology than vindication of its secrets.
Exactly the same motivation is at work here.
D. RTC Should Be Ordered to Pay Mr. Minton's Costs in Opposing
this Motion.
Fed. R. Civ. P. 37(a)(4) provides that: If the motion [to
compel] is denied, the court may enter any protective order
authorized under Rule 26(c) and shall, after affording an
opportunity to be heard, require the moving party or the
attorney filing the motion or both of them to pay the party or
the deponent who opposed the motion the reasonable expenses
incurred in opposing the motion, including attorney's fees,
unless the court finds that the making of the motion was
substantially justified or that other circumstances make an
award of expenses unjust. (emphasis added)
Both a protective order against any discovery of Mr. Minton in
any proceeding relative to the Ward Action and an award of
attorney's fees and other costs are particularly appropriate
here. Through their respective efforts in the Ward Action, the
Ward Bankruptcy Case and in the Florida Lawsuit, RTC and COS
have demonstrated their willingness to use compulsory process
not only to harass but also to advance their purposes in other
litigation. When it cannot get what it wants from one court,
it submits the same or similar issues to another court. RTC
must be sanctioned to put an end to its forum shopping.
Religious Technology Center v. Scott, No. 94-55781, 1996 U.S.
App. Lexis 8544 at *15 (9th Cir. 1996)(legal fees for costs of
fighting discovery motions brought by RTC assessed against it
due to its "multiplication of the proceedings . . . filing of
frivolous motions and of offensive and unreasonable motions").
Mr. Minton respectfully requests that the Court order RTC to
pay his costs, including attorney's fees, incurred in
responding to the present motion. The discovery sought is not
even remotely relevant to the issues in the Ward Action. RTC's
counsel promised to limit the deposition to two discrete
issues. Having secured Mr. Minton's attendance through that
promise, they disregarded it and tried to use the deposition to
harass Mr. Minton on wide-ranging and irrelevant issues. Mr.
Minton should not, yet again, have to incur the costs of
responding to such clearly abusive discovery.
CONCLUSION
For all the foregoing reasons, RTC's Motion for Contempt and to
Compel and Request for Sanctions should be denied and RTC
ordered to pay Mr. Minton's attorney's fees in responding to
its Motion.
Respectfully submitted, ROBERT S. MINTON,
By his attorney,
Dated: December 13, 1999
Stephen A. Jonas, Esq. (BBO No. 542005)
Gabrielle Wolohojian (BBO No. 555704)
Hale and Dorr LLP
60 State Street
Boston, MA 02109
(617) 526-6000
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>prospect of deposing Mr. Minton in a less confrontational and harassing
>fashion than it desired, and despite its pleas to Judge Kenner that it
To me, this seems a pivotal point: in a previous attempt at a
wide-ranging deposition of Bob Minton supposedly relevant
to my Ch.7 bankruptcy case, when the Judge ordered the
cult to pose a threshold question to see whether a deposition
was warranted at all, the cult didn't even bother to ask *that*
question.