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<Safe@scientology.at> wrote:
>"Bob Minton" <bob@minton.org> wrote in message
What Bob said in his message of hope is true -- We will be
there to help all Scientologists make those happier times
return again to their lives.
But of course Miscavige's Scientology has already begun
spinning us as "violent deprogrammers" who are going to "grab
Scientologists off the streets of Clearwater and hold them
against their will." There is not a shred of truth to this at
all.
The first time they accused me of being a "violent
deprogrammer" was in the summer of 1998, right after I spoke to
Lara Wessel in New Orleans, which resulted in Lara's deciding
to get out of Scientology. (If anyone wants to know the whole
story of that trip, do a search for a message I posted called
"One less Scientologist in the world.") Sylvia Stannard, who
was at the time the DSA DC, met me at the airport when I flew
from New Orleans to DC. I hadn't seen Sylvia since before I
left the Sea Org back in 1989. This was the first time an OSA
person had ever met me at an airport (there have been many
times since then) and I was stunned.
"Sylvia!" I exclaimed. "What are you doing here?"
Sylvia replied, to my utter amazement, "I'm here to keep you
from forcibly deprogramming anyone in my city."
As much as I tried to explain to Sylvia that I had done nothing
but have a 45-minute conversation with Lara about my own
experiences at the highest levels of the Sea Org, particularly
with David Miscavige, she resolutely refused to believe me. I
even invited her to ride to my hotel with me in my taxi, which
she did, and had her come up to my hotel room and speak to Lara
on the phone about what had happened. It was all to no avail.
As Sylvia left my hotel room she said, "Just don't try any
forcible deprogrammings in this town."
Sylvia knows me very well, but she seemed to be genuinely
convinced that I had used force on Lara to convince her to
leave Scientology. Nothing I said could change her mind about
it.
So I think Miscavige's people have wrongly convinced a number
of OSA operatives and maybe other Sea Org members and public
that the Lisa McPherson Trust is a dangerous organization. But
I also think that they have failed to convince many others.
And certainly there is not a shred of truth to their
assertions. We are going to provide information about the
abusive side of Scientology. We are going to help people who
decide they want to escape the abuse. That's all.
Maybe I should give you and other Scientologists some
background to set your minds at ease.
The four former Scientologists who will be part of the initial
Trust staff -- myself, Jesse Prince, David Cecere and Kim Baker
-- are all techies. I know Jesse, David and Kim pretty well by
now, and we have had lengthy discussions about our personal
philosophies with regard to this work we are about to embark
upon. They all care tremendously about people and genuinely
want to help Scientologists the way they wish someone had been
there to help them. I will let them tell their own stories if
they choose to do so, but I can tell you from my own experience
with each of them that what I have just said is the entirety of
their motivation for becoming part of the Trust.
I will tell you one thing about Jesse and the tech. When he was
in the Sea Org he was hand-picked by LRH as the most competent
tech terminal in Scientology to go to CMO Int and get senior
management corrected and on-policy. As part of his duties, he
was the auditor for all the highest-level executives, including
Miscavige, Miscavige's wife Shelly, Ray Mithoff, Marty Rathbun,
and many others. After LRH's death he was busted by Miscavige
for refusing to go along with Miscavige's off-policy actions.
Now that he is speaking out publicly against the abusive
practices of Miscavige's Scientology, they have culled his pc
folders and I have personally witnessed them using his pc
folder information against him several times. But even though
they have done this to Jesse, Jesse has never revealed anything
he was ever told by Miscavige or any other pc in session, and
he has told me that he never will. He has more respect for the
tech than Miscavige or any of his lieutenants.
Speaking for myself, I joined the Sea Org because I wanted to
become an auditor and help people through the tech. I audited
thousands of hours and I also trained many auditors on the AOLA
internship. I also supervised many up-and-coming executives at
the International Training School (ITS). I also helped many
staff members as an Establishment Officer and an Org Officer.
That was what I was there to do -- help people with the tech.
Then I was promoted to Author Services, Inc., where Miscavige
was Chairman of the Board (COB ASI), the head of all
Scientology. He made me his Org Officer and I was very proud
that I had been chosen. I thought that from that position I
would be able to help many, many people.
Instead, I found that Miscavige had no respect for the tech at
all. In fact, he gave me direct orders that totally violated
the tech. To my horror, I found that he had nothing but
contempt for the tech.
I saw him and other ASI executives giving a staff member who
hadn't slept in days a "gang-bang sec check" in which several
executives screamed obscenities and threats and terrified the
person to a point where he was reduced to shaking
uncontrollably and sobbing. Miscavige ordered me to "go in
there and finish the job and don't let him go until you get him
to confess who he's working for." Instead of doing what he had
ordered me to do, I went in and took the person's hand and held
it till he stopped shaking. Then I indicated to the person that
what had just happened was gross out-tech and should never have
happened. Then I told him to go home and get some sleep. I
peeked out the conference room door to make sure the coast was
clear and when I was sure it was, I helped him sneak out of the
org so he could go home and sleep. I was assigned Treason for
doing this but nothing could have made me comply with the order
I was given.
Another staff member had been up for four days handling
publicity for Battlefield Earth. Miscavige was furious at this
staff member because he didn't think he had gotten enough
media. It was four in the morning but the entire staff of ASI
was still at the org because Miscavige never allowed any of us
to sleep from Tuesday until Friday every week. Miscavige called
me into his office and ordered me to Method 9 the staff member
on the entire PR Series and not let him go home until it was
done.
I was appalled that he was ordering me to do such an out-tech
thing. I told him I couldn't do it because it would be
out-tech. He got beet red and blew up at me.
"What are you talking about? What tech am I violating?" he
demanded to know.
I thought as fast as I could and replied, "Students' Guide to
Acceptable Behavior."
Miscavige said to me, "It doesn't say anywhere in the Students'
Guide that a student has to have any sleep to be word cleared.
Now go do it!"
I still refused and told Miscavige the only way I could do it
would be if I sent the staff member home to sleep and then
started the word clearing once he was well rested. Miscavige
became even more furious and screamed at me, "Who are you
working for? Who is telling you to do this? You're in Treason!"
He assigned me many other lower conditions for refusing to
comply with out tech orders. There was never any question in my
mind that I would not do the things he was ordering me to do. I
finally reported myself to Ethics and informed the Ethics
Officer that I could no longer work with Miscavige because he
was Suppressive. Shortly after that I was assigned to the RPF.
These are just a few examples of the kind of abuse I
experienced when I was in the Sea Org. There are many more.
Since I have left the Sea Org I have been subjected to the full
force of Miscavige's Fair Game practices, which are terribly
abusive and violate my right as an American citizen to free
speech.
I feel very very strongly that Miscavige and his lieutenants
have no right to abuse people this way. No one has the right to
treat people the way they do. I don't think any Scientologist
should be forced to endure this kind of abuse.
It is the deceptive and abusive practices of Miscavige's
Scientology that the Lisa McPherson Trust is concerned about. I
strongly believe that a Scientologist should be free to speak
to the staff of the Trust or anyone else they choose to speak
to without fear of being punished. Free Speech is one of our
most basic rights as citizens. Miscavige has no right to take
that freedom away. He has no right to practice the kind of
blackmail he is perpetrating, where he can take away a
Scientologist's Bridge if the Scientologist insists on his or
her freedom of speech.
I hope this clarifies my own position on this for you and others who may read
this.
Now, to respond to your specific questions:
>For example are you offering?:
>2) Contacts for an alternative "bridge" so scientologist don't believe
>3) Counseling sessions for those who are working out their "doubt formula."
How else can someone make an informed decision if they are not
allowed to learn about all sides of an issue?
>4) Educating scientologists about the truth. (Give out copys of the Criminal
>5) Assurance of anonyminity, and that LMT is NOT a "deprogramming" group.
>It would also behoove LMT to post their stats at least every month here to
>Am I correct in that LMT has the above in mind? It would behoove LMT to
>Thanks and Happy Holidays to you and all!,
Take care,
Stacy
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From: Stacy Brooks <stacybrooks@mciworld.com>
Subject: Re: A message of hope for the Sea Org of Scientology
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 14:20:27 -0500
Organization: The Lisa McPherson Trust
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On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:50:33 -0800, "Safe ... www.fza.org"
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>> Just close your eyes and remember back to happier times.
>> Those times will come again. We of the Lisa McPherson
>> Trust, will open our doors to you on January 6, 2000 at
>> 33 N. Fort Harrison Ave., Clearwater, Florida 33757,
>> Telephone: (727) 467-9335. We will be there to help you
>> make those happier times return again to your life.
>Hi Bob,
>
>Thanks for doing what you're doing. I know it has taken much courage and
>sometimes you've probably asked yourself if all the trouble is worth it. I
>give thanks that you and others have such tenacity.
>
>Knowing scientologists very well myself, I'm sure it would be good to
>explain to them specifically what you're offering so they will feel safe
>coming forward to you. They will be the LAST people to come for help if they
>think LMT is "deprogramming" outfit which I'm sure CofS, Inc. is going to
>spin you as that.
Hi Safe!
>
>1) Temporary housing and food assistance for SO members who want to leave
>but feel trapped because they have no money or family.
If someone wants to leave the Sea Org and has no resources, I
think the Trust will find a way to help that person in whatever
way we can. I know that when Vaughn and I escaped from the Sea
Org we had no money and no one to turn to, and it was a
terrifying experience. I would not want anyone to have to go
through what we had to endure to regain our freedom.
>they're sacrificing the eternity by leaving the Church of Scientology, Inc.
I can tell you that the staff of the Trust believe that people
have the right to follow whatever path they choose and we will
not try to set any boundaries on who or what a person can learn
from.
I would certainly be willing to sit down and talk to someone
who was searching for information to complete a Doubt formula.
>Time Track, examples of CofS, Inc. squirreling, etc.)
Certainly the Trust will have literature available for
Scientologists and non-Scientologists alike. Our first and
foremost responsibility is going to be educating not only
Scientologists who ask for information but also the community,
the media, families, and anyone else who is interested in
learning the truth.
>(Scientologists are SCARED of these.)
Of course we are not a "deprogramming" group. We are former
Scientologists and people who have never been in Scientology
who want to let Scientologists know they do not have to subject
themselves to any kind of abuse. We have no other agenda,
although MIscavige's Scientology insists that we do. We are
not a "hate group," as Miscavige's Scientology insists that we
are. We are just people who care and want to help provide
alternatives.
>see the progress being made. For example;
>
>a) # of scientologists inquiring for more information
>b) # of scientologists directed to freezone sources
>c) # of scientologists counseled
>d) # of Sea Org members helped
>
>By knowing what these stats are, it will help us judge the effectiveness of
>LMT's and friends actions.
I'm sure our actions will be widely known and everyone will
have a chance to find out about what we are doing.
>spell out what their intentions are and what they're doing to help
>scientologists (like above.)
I hope this helps fill the vacuum for everybody. Our doors will
open January 6 at 9 am. Until then if anyone wants to call us
you can call 727-467-9335. Until our office is open that number
is being routed to my house in Belleair Beach, which is right
down the street from Clearwater Beach. I'll return your call
myself or direct it elsewhere if that is your request.
>Safe
And Happy New Year to you!
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