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From: German_Scn_News <german_scn_news@hotmail.com>
Subject: Bob wins, Scientology Loses.
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:14:18 -0500
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010328171102.116A-100000@darkstar.zippy>


Legal Decision Minton wins -
Scientology Loses [Editorial follows] Berlin, Germany
March 27, 2001
on-the-spot account Subject: Minton vs. Weber etc
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001
Despite being sick I dragged myself off to the state court to see the trial hearing in matters of Minton vs. Weber, etc. and it was a good show, I'm glad I took the day off :) Attending were another Scientology critic, Scientology Germany President Helmuth Bloehbaum, Scientology Berlin President Ute Koch (she holds other offices too), Attorney Bluemel, a guy who probably is a Scientologist but whose name I don't know, and a well-dressed woman. I suppose she was either a journalist or on staff with Minton's lawyer, Johannes Eisenberg, because she stayed for the next hearing but did not sit next to Eisenberg. In the court sat the transcriptionist, the judicial trio (a gray-haired chairman who listened patiently to everything and two assessors, one of whom was very, very young). Sitting back were two more, younger people, I suppose they were law students. I stupidly did not note the name of the chairman, I think it was "Glogovski" or something. Then things got started ... The Court:

A "foreign security" was done, that is a security form when certain non-EU countries go to court. If I understood correctly, then that was already done. Bluemel:

request to adjourn, only received the last memorandum March 20 difficult case difference of opinion with the Hamburg state attorney's office The Parliament matter (namely where the Nigerian Parliament determined that everything was upright) would have to be researched a limit on memos would also suffice, so that he would not have to travel to Berlin again. Eisenberg:

Scientology made the charges themselves then reported on their own proceedings You weren't supposed to spread libel first and then do your homework [I had to chuckle here!] he said the case was ready for a decision government documents showed that the campaign against Minton was running like a chess game according to LRH policy Scientology should not get records access.

Bluemel:

Need records access because there are state proceedings against Caberta to clear her of the bribery.

he hoped to find the connection to the flow of money.

He wanted to know when the money flowed in order to build a connection. Court:

- considering whether there would be a limit on memoranda - no indications that Minton was involved in juggling accounts - Minton reduced Nigeria's debt - Minton was not skimming money - Scientology was not a "citizen's initiative." It was said no intelligence agency was obvious, but there was more behind it than met the eye. It was said to be a large organization with many possible options. That would include having to listen to opponents. Would have to get acquainted with the report of the investigative committee. Eisenberg:

There was no connection to dictator Abacha, since Minton's activities ended in February 1993.

Minton had not just gone and sold the debts to someone who was sitting there waiting for him. There was actually a market, you had to get the rates from Reuters.

Scientology's campaign was perverse and poisoned the environment. Bluemel:

He said the charge was not perverse. [The p-word made him angry.] He said the thing with Caberta stunk to high heaven He said Caberta hung like a puppet from Minton.

He said it had to do with her job because she supposedly said in the USA that it was all about Scientology.

He said the debts did not include a parity clause. He said individual creditors asked whether Minton worked for Nigeria, which he contested, therefore = fraud.

Mr. Raschid said everything was honest because he was in the middle of everything.

He gave a charge of the Nigerian state against Minton. To that Eisenberg said that nobody had ever seen the original, just this translation.

Bluemel said he was sure that Greenland (company) also was funneling money out of the country.

Scientology had the right to respond and payback was heck, or similar German idiomatic equivalent. With no obligation to research first. Eisenberg:

He didn't mean the charge was "perverse," but that the entire campaign was.

He said this was not a matter of responding to an attack. For instance Minton had not expressed himself in Zehlendorf and OSA-FREIHEIT was distributed there.

He said the accusations were not factual, just derogatory and abusive.

Only suspicion of accepting favors, not bribery, nevertheless the word "bribery" was written time and time again. [Bluemel was also using that word!] Bluemel should give better advice to his client. Bluemel angrily rejected that notion.

Bluemel:

He said it was not his mission to prove that Minton had bribed anybody and it was not a smear tactic.

He said there were 100 articles against Minton and only three of those supported Minton's standpoint. Bluemel also mentioned two more things at one time or another:

- Dreksler was said to have been ruined by suspicion and never reinstated [not true!] and people just let Minton do whatever he wanted - In Munich garbage men were fired for accepting 25 DM and some of these had been confirmed by the Labor Court The court said it would decide in the course of the day whether there would be additional court memoranda submitted. That was it, people left. The next case was waiting outside, Stroebele vs. Springer Verlag, Stroebele's attorney:

Eisenberg :-) Unfortunately Stroebele was not there. Tilman I forgot one important point. Minton's attorney mentioned that Scientology's attorney had called the Hamburg state attorney to tell him when Minton was coming to Hamburg, and asked them to please arrest him. He mentioned that obviously Minton had been under surveillance by scientology. Scientology's attorney later admitted the call, and claimed that there was a double standard in the treatment of scientologists and scientology critics, and used the Dreksler case as example. He did not elaborate on the surveillance of Minton. Tilman Hausherr [SP5.55] Entheta * Enturbulation * Entertainment http://home.snafu.de/tilman/scientology_ger.html photos from Clearwater:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/4497/clearwater2000 --- Editorial from Joe Cisar Several years ago, Scientology had to pay the largest amount ever awarded in a libel case in Canada. Last year, Scientology's attorney had to apologize to Bonnie Woods for Scientology's libel. This year Scientology has lost to Bob Minton in another libel case. These are not cases of individuals behaving in an anti-social manner who happen to be Scientologists. These are Scientologists who are actively practicing Scientology. Scientology seems to be establishing a pattern for itself of spreading malicious, untrue information. People who trust an organization which behaves this way, then acts in bad faith about it, are not living up to their abilities. --- Unofficial translation/critical interpretation of German media, For non-commercial use only. Recent events - http://cisar.org/trnmenu.htm Informational publications http://members.tripod.com/German_Scn_News Thousands of articles sorted by date http://cisar.org/sortdate.htm

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From: Tilman Hausherr <tilman@berlin.snafu.de>
Subject: Re: Urteil Minton ./. Weber - Urteilstiff.tif
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:09:10 +0200
Organization: Xenu's Ranch
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:11:33 +0200, ©Anti-Cult® - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/ <The.Galactic.Federation@ThePentagon.com>

wrote in <k0o5ctsroqn8tls2noh3l9kil48eh8tafp@ARSCC.Sweden.Dep.OSA.Surveillance>:

>On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:02:03 +0200.
>In Message-ID: <u9n5ctc56jkqpgiovnepltj7h4t4jpbq2j@4ax.com>
>From: Tilman Hausherr <tilman@berlin.snafu.de>.
>Organization: Xenu's Ranch.
>Wrote on the subject: Urteil Minton ./. Weber - Urteilstiff.tif:
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>The only thing I understood was the 100.000 DM's. Is that the sum the
>mafia cult has to pay to Minton?
No that is the "value" of the litigation, which influences the legal costs (the cost that scientology has to pay for itself and Minton, if it doesn't appeal, is IMO about DM 17000). In Germany, costs of litigation are based on the amount in dispute (there are tables to look up). If you sue someone because he cheated you for a certain amount, then this amount is the value of that litigation. In libel cases, the value is estimated by the plaintiff attorney, and then later decided by the court. DM 100000 pretty usual for high-profile libel cases. In my case last year, the scientology attorney set the amount to DM 30000, but in the lawsuit the court lowered it to DM 8000.

These DM 100000 are also the amount of a deposit that Minton has to make to the court if he wants to enforce the judgement immediately.

Minton has apparently not sued for damages, only for a permanent restraining order forbidding them to repeat certain libellous allegations. The judgement says that if they do repeat these allegations, they either have to pay up to DM 500000 or face jail up to six months. But as I said above the judgement is cannot be enforced yet.

I wonder if there will be an appeal. The Blümel lawfirm is from Bavaria so they are not licensed to argue at the Berlin appeals court. So scientology will have to find another lawfirm. And that could be tricky because scientology's bad reputation.

Tilman