Greenway and Caberta, OSA pawns?

Scientology

From: Bob Minton <bobminton@lisatrust.net>
Subject: Greenway and Caberta, OSA pawns?
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:38:17 -0400
Organization: Lisa McPherson Trust, 33 N. Fort Harrison Ave., Clearwater, FL 33755 Tel: (727) 467-9335
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I had looked forward to my recent trip to Leipzig for the presentation of the second annual Human Rights Award, expecting that it would be an opportunity to meet with many old friends. Instead, members of the Lisa McPherson Trust and I were viciously attacked by both Patricia Greenway and Ursula Caberta. The behavior displayed by these two was appalling to all of us.

In Patricia Greenway's case, this is not new. From the time I established the LMT, she has made it a point to go after David Cecere, Stacy Brooks, Jesse Prince, and Heather Bennett that I know of. It seemed to me that Patricia had a bias against ex-Scientologists and particularly against people who had been in the Sea Org. In Heather's case, first Patricia tried to use Heather as a conduit for information about the LMT and when Heather refused to do it, Patricia turned on her viciously. As recently as a few weeks ago, Patricia was still attacking Heather in a private chat channel, and she brought her up to me in a derogatory manner in Leipzig.

Teresa Summers, also ex-Sea Org, is another LMT staff member that Patricia has tried to use as a source of information. Teresa has also refused to allow herself to be used in this way.

Stacy and I have both tried over the past year to keep our rift with Patricia quiet, hoping that it would slowly mend itself. I was particularly torn on this matter due to my very positive personal feelings for Peter Alexander, Patricia's partner. Unfortunately, time has only exacerbated the negativity of Patricia's behavior towards the entire LMT team. Now, after the events that occurred in Leipzig, I think it is time to make it known that Patricia has been the most destructive force the LMT has had to contend with since soon after we opened the doors. She has spoken disparagingly about Stacy and others at the LMT and I have had to intervene to ask her to stop several times. Each time she has denied that she had said anything critical at all. During one of these times Patricia told Stacy that the reason people were coming to Stacy to tell her that Patricia was saying bad things was that they were afraid to tell her they felt that way themselves, so they were attributing it to Patricia.

I asked Peter and Patricia to stay in Europe and go to Leipzig to show our film, "The Profit." In fact, I did not even go to Cannes for the film's debut in order to avoid any scenes between Patricia and Stacy, and I told Patricia that her behavior had taken the fun out of the movie for me. I expected Patricia to concentrate on the film and leave her animosity for Stacy and the LMT aside while in Leipzig. Patricia has been actively and continuously trying to drive a wedge between Stacy and me. While in Leipzig, I received a report from Mark Bunker that Patricia spent an hour with him on Saturday afternoon repeating her vitriolic criticism of Stacy.

On Monday afternoon Stacy and I had an encounter with Patricia, Peter and Ursula Caberta. Up until that moment neither of us had any idea that Ursula was anything but our good friend. Stacy and I have stood by her through many difficulties, both personal and professional and have always trusted her as a friend. But in this encounter Peter said Ursula had told him that Stacy had told Ursula not to help them with the movie. I knew this wasn't true because I had been there when Stacy was telling Ursula what needed to be done on the film. Ursula backpedaled on this, saying she just got this idea but Stacy had never actually said it. In fact, Ursula called Stacy several times to complain to her about Patricia and Peter's lack of professionalism in scheduling showings of the film. But this encounter degenerated into an appalling performance by Patricia, in which she ranted that Stacy was the most evil human being in the world and that Stacy was totally controlling me. I tried to tell her this was not the case, at which point Patricia accused me of not being willing to listen to anyone about Stacy, saying that "everyone" knows what Stacy is doing except me, and this kind of thing. I tried to return our relationship to a professional level but Patricia made it impossible.

Later that night Teresa confided in Stacy that the night before, on Sunday night, Ursula and Patricia both sat down with her and spent several hours deliberately trying to turn her against me, Stacy and the LMT. Teresa wrote a report about what these two said to her. It is appalling.

Being betrayed by faux-friends has been disappointing for me, for Stacy, for Mark and for Teresa. The LMT is a very tight-knit group, and for Patricia and Ursula to engage in this kind of undermining of the work we are doing is really incredible to me. There is only one group that benefits from sowing this type of discord within the ranks of the LMT, and that is Scientology. I don't know if Patricia and Ursula are unwitting victims or are actually cooperating with OSA, but they are forwarding OSA's agenda without any question.

After these recent experiences I don't trust either one of them as far as I can spit.

Bob Minton

From: elrond1@home.com (Gregg)
Subject: Re: Greenway and Caberta, OSA pawns?
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:58:27 GMT
Organization: Temple of At'L'An
Message-ID: <3b2f5bdb.52263982@news2.lightlink.com>

On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:47:30 +0200, ŠAnti-CultŽ - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/ <Anti-Cult@galacticfederation.homeip.net>

wrote:

>>Bob Minton <bobminton@lisatrust.net> wrote:

>>appalling performance by Patricia, in which she ranted that Stacy was the
>>most evil human being in the world and that Stacy was totally controlling
>>me. I tried to tell her this was not the case, at which point Patricia
>>accused me of not being willing to listen to anyone about Stacy, saying
>>that "everyone" knows what Stacy is doing except me, and this kind of

I have observed Bob and Stacy's interactions at close range. It is true that Stacy *tries* to influence Bob in directions which are without a doubt good ones. She has tried to influence me in exactly the same directions--with roughly the same (low) level of success.

Both of us would likely be better off taking more of her advice than we do.

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>>Patricia and Ursula to engage in this kind of undermining of the work we
>>are doing is really incredible to me. There is only one group that
>>benefits from sowing this type of discord within the ranks of the LMT, and
>>that is Scientology. I don't know if Patricia and Ursula are unwitting
>>victims or are actually cooperating with OSA, but they are forwarding
>>OSA's agenda without any question.

Bob, my experience is no deeper than yours on these subjects, but I do have a lot of bleeding edge EP theory to help guide me. These kinds of squabbles and jockeying for social position go on all the time in tribes, the prototype human organization larger than a family.

Tearing leaders down is a time honored way to rise in status--if it suscceded--and a way to drop in status or be banished if it fails.

The very independent and fractious traits that make people valuable contributors to the ARSCC's goals makes them more damaging when they get into these primate power contests.. (Fill in examples here.)

There may be a sex bias in these traits as well since no matter how bad the internal fighting got between the men, they had to make afterwards to defend the tribe or they all died. (See the incredible tale in Chimpanzee Politics.)

The problem is that almost nobody is aware they are running programs worked into their genes over a million years of (genetic) life and death struggles for social position in tribes and small villages.

Sorry for the lecture, we now return to the regular soap opera in progress. :-)

Keith Henson

PS Tim Leary understood and wrote about this subject long before the underlying theory was worked out.