But luckily, Mike Rinder is there to save the day, and shows him Dead Agent packs on everyone, bringing him back to the world of truth!

This starts with Bob being cross-examined by Dandar concerning 15 1/2 hours of meeting with Scientology. Bob is insistent that pretty much nothing was actually discussed. Schaeffer is so skeptical of this that she jumps in and takes over, as she is wont to do when frustrated with a weaselly, evasive Bob.

The cross-examination concerns a post from July 14, 1998 by Bob, the one where he commented that Mike Rinder recommended a good sushi restaurant. While there was a cancel storm during that period of time it was automatically reposted and is available at http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=REPOST-35b5a637.14622057%40news.tiac.net&output=gplain if you want the background on what Bob is being cross-examined on here.

            8                           EXAMINATION
            9   BY THE COURT:

           10        Q    I believe in your deposition you indicated you
           11   spent 15 1/2 hours meeting with them.  Is that about right?

           12        A    The combination of those three meetings, yes.

           13        Q    Okay.  So for 15 1/2 hours, you talked about
           14   nothing?  I mean, there was nothing -- no issues?  They
           15   didn't offer you anything, you didn't have anything to
           16   offer them, so you all just sat and looked at each other
           17   for 15 1/2 hours?

           18        A    Well, there was a lot of information provided to
           19   me, which, quite honestly, your Honor, had I listened to at
           20   the time I wouldn't be in the problem I'm in today.

           21        Q    Well, tell us about that, then.

           22        A    Well, it was largely information about some of
           23   the people that I was involved in funding.  There was
           24   information about some of the lawyers that I was working
           25   with.

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            1             And, you know, I -- you know, at that time, just
            2   like everybody else who was involved in this thing, you
            3   know, you're just automatically geared to not believe what
            4   they're telling you, that, you know, just like, you know,
            5   from their perspective, you know, they see that a lot of
            6   these disaffected Scientologists are -- you know, through
            7   their affidavits and other things, have, you know,
            8   tremendously exaggerated their experiences and problems
            9   with the Church.  You know, I think we've already seen here
           10   that that's to some extent true.

           11        Q    I think I mentioned in court that it seems to be,
           12   from what I read on these postings, that if the cult --
           13   that if the anti-cult people think that Scientology is
           14   rabid or whatever they must think of them --
           15        A    Right.

           16        Q    -- certainly they sound rabid to an outsider like
           17   me reading whatever it is they're saying.  So it sounds
           18   like, whatever it is they're criticizing, they need to just
           19   kind of look inward.

           20        A    You mean the critics or --
           21        Q    The critics.

           22        A    Well, I would say almost without a doubt that the
           23   critics are far more rabid than the Church is.  I mean, the
           24   Church doesn't get on the Internet with the kind of stuff
           25   that the critics get on there.

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                                                   Page 969

            1        Q    Well, as I said, I don't know what the Church
            2   does because I've not seen too many of their postings, if
            3   any.  Most of the postings I see are the critics'
            4   postings --
            5        A    Right.

            6        Q    -- and then occasionally I see something that
            7   looks like it might be somebody trying to defend the Church
            8   in some ugly fashion.

            9        A    Right.

           10        Q    But what I see from the critics oftentimes is
           11   fairly rabid and fairly distasteful.

           12        A    It is, your Honor.  And, you know, I'm certainly
           13   guilty of that as well.  I've done that.

           14        Q    Yes, indeed you are.  I've read some pretty ugly
           15   e-mails or whatever you call them, postings.

           16        A    Usenet postings, they're called.

           17        Q    Right.  I'm still having a hard time.  So they're
           18   telling you that this is -- you really ought not fund these
           19   people.  You're putting out a lot of your money.  You told
           20   us about $10 million.  So you put out a lot of money.

           21   You're funding this, you're lending money to this lawyer,
           22   funding this lawsuit, the Lisa McPherson.  They wanted you
           23   to stop that, right?

           24        A    Well --
           25        Q    That's what you said in your deposition.

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            1        A    Yes.

            2        Q    If you don't remember it, I'll read it.

            3        A    Yes, your Honor, that's basically it.  But the
            4   way they were doing that is, you know, they were -- they
            5   were trying to provide information that basically I had a
            6   built-in mechanism not to look at or believe, you know.

            7   And they provided lots of information.

            8             I remember the second meeting in Boston, you
            9   know, they didn't come in with a bunch of boxes like are on
           10   the bench back there, but maybe a couple of boxes like that
           11   of information that they thought that if I would listen to
           12   I might learn something.

           13             And, you know, I mean, you know, they told me
           14   that, you know, if you continue, you know, working with
           15   these people, you know, you're just going to have an
           16   incredible amount of money sunk down the hole for nothing,
           17   because these people are, some of them, were just con men
           18   or con women.

           19             And, you know, had I listened honestly, you know,
           20   they told the truth about a lot of individuals that I've
           21   been involved with.

           22        Q    Okay.  Well, let's get past that for a minute.

           23   They had this conversation with you, pointed out the error
           24   of your ways, and had a boxful of information about these
           25   folks, these rabid folks you were dealing with that you had
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            1   listened to.  And when all was said and done, they had a
            2   piece of paper there.  And they said, "You stop funding
            3   these people, and in exchange we will do" -- what?

            4        A    You know, I didn't walk away with a copy of this
            5   thing.  I just saw it, and I said, you know, "Look, I don't
            6   see any realistic thing here."

            7        Q    Okay.  Well, if they said they were going to
            8   leave you alone, what were they going to leave you alone
            9   about?  What were they doing that they were going to stop
           10   doing?

           11        A    Well, what they were --
           12        Q    Or do you just not remember?  15 1/2 hours and
           13   you don't remember.

           14        A    What they were encouraging me to do, your Honor,
           15   is they were saying to me basically that, you know -- and
           16   had I listened, this would have been true -- "You are going
           17   to waste your life for whatever period of time you continue
           18   doing this."

           19        Q    Well, you don't need an agreement for that.  You
           20   don't need something in writing for that, do you?

           21        A    Well, I --
           22        Q    You just stop.  You know:  "You're wasting your
           23   life.  Stop.  Here's some information you want to read.  Go
           24   home, read it, and stop your funding.  See you."

           25             There was a document there.  Did you read it at
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            1   all?  Did you discuss it at all?

            2        A    Well, you know, what I found objectionable about
            3   the document -- no, we didn't discuss it.  I just said, you
            4   know, there's no way, because the key thing about the
            5   document was that, you know, I was basically going to give
            6   up my free speech rights about any Scientology issues in
            7   the future.  And, you know, I just wasn't prepared to do
            8   that at that time.

            9        Q    Okay.  But you can't remember what the "this for
           10   that" was.

           11        A    You know -- you know, there wasn't any sort of
           12   tit for tat in this thing.  This was a pretty one-sided
           13   agreement.

           14        Q    Okay.  That's fine.

           15        A    "You stop doing this and, you know, life will go
           16   on for both of us and we don't have to worry about each
           17   other.  This will be the best thing for you anyway."

           18             You know, it was a really completely one-sided
           19   agreement.  And --
           20        Q    So you just said no.

           21        A    That's right.

           22                  THE COURT:  Okay.

ptsc wrote:

> 11 Q I think I mentioned in court that it seems to be,
> 12 from what I read on these postings, that if the cult --
> 13 that if the anti-cult people think that Scientology is
> 14 rabid or whatever they must think of them --
> 15 A Right.
> 16 Q -- certainly they sound rabid to an outsider like
> 17 me reading whatever it is they're saying. So it sounds
> 18 like, whatever it is they're criticizing, they need to just
> 19 kind of look inward.
> 20 A You mean the critics or --
> 21 Q The critics.
> 22 A Well, I would say almost without a doubt that the
> 23 critics are far more rabid than the Church is. I mean, the
> 24 Church doesn't get on the Internet with the kind of stuff
> 25 that the critics get on there.

What a crock of shit!!!

http://parishioners.org/extremists/minton1.html
http://216.97.35.244/rm.html
http://216.97.35.244/footage.html
http://members.aol.com/clkates/thetanbig.jpg
http://members.aol.com/clkates/bgcheck.txt
http://members.aol.com/clkates/dlee.txt
http://members.aol.com/clkates/janflyer.txt

more at:

http://members.aol.com/clkates/minton.html

I feel bad that Bob is so mentally and emotionally pliable that he would be influenced by those that surround him and claim to care for him, and he would actually listen and be persuaded that all of the above, and that isn't all of the harassment by Co$, my friends . . .

is worse than some beakless harpies on ars?

Two things . . .

whoever is feeding Bob that bullshit deserves a kick in the butt . . .

but Bob deserves a kick in the butt for listening to something that is so obviously absurd it isn't even in the realm of reality.

Also, the Co$ sites, parishioners and bigotwatch . . .

I hope someone with the capability and webspace will duplicate them for future reference should the Co$ take them down . . .

those websites speak multitudes in demonstrating the severe state of unreality that Bob is trying to put forth with such really provable slosh.

Bob, I love you, but to allow a person to wallow in self deception like what you say above is ~NOT~ being a friend, it is being a brown-nosed "yes-man" . . . an enabler.

Maybe you better recheck what a friend is . . . .

you obviously don't have any in near proximity to you at the present time.

It's like, if someone was a heroin addict, I'm sure they would consider the person who makes sure they have that heroin so they don't need to go through the pain of withdrawal and can stay "happy" to be a "friend" . . .

but they are not.

I am ~SO~ sorry this has happened to you.

WAKE UP, damn you!!!

I hope you can snap out of it.

Love from,

Bever