Since a certain troublemaking liar has shown up to spew Minton propaganda again and the events may confuse newbies, this is the first of a series of reposts to explain the general issue.

The next two will be two newspaper articles aimed at the general public, if this particular post makes no sense.

In short, Bob Minton was a former critic of Scientology who founded an organization called the Lisa McPherson Trust and then, along with his mistress Stacy Brooks, turned traitor and gave perjured testimony for Scientology.

This resulted in several months of hearings, on which Scientology based a series of scurrilous, lying accusations on the perjury of Minton and Brooks. The Court, in the person of Judge Susan F. Schaeffer, found the perjury of Minton and Brooks completely unpersuasive and Scientology lost, since the only evidence supporting Scientology's claims were the brazen lies of the self-confessed perjurers Robert S. Minton and Stacy Brooks.

One of many reasons the lies of Minton and Brooks were exposed was the notes of Scientology lawyer Monique E. Yingling, one of many Scientology lawyers Minton and Brooks dealt with when arranging to sell out their former friends and commit perjury on behalf of Scientology.

The notes themselves are available at http://whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/bob/exhibits/191.html on the website of Mike Gormez, which an agent of Brooks, that is to say, an agent of OSA, is attempting to have censored in some way via private cajolement.

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It's all in black and white in Yingling's notes. Note that Minton's doing everything on this list. Bob's lackeys are also going along and working on these Scientology goals.

So when I say Rod Keller, Mark Bunker and Arnie Lerma are doing OSA's work, I don't mean that in any vague or merely opprobrious sense. I mean that they are working on achieving specific goals laid out by OSA for Bob and Stacy to achieve, and that if they are doing Bob's work, they are doing Scientology's work, period. Not in a vague, inchoate sense but in a very actual, concrete sense.

If you think Keller's and Lerma's open support for Minton suing Lisa McPherson's family with no factual basis but his own perjured testimony seems to make no sense, look at Yingling's notes. It's all in there.

My notes separated by ===

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[Exhibit 191]

NOTES FOR MEETING IN SANDY ROSEN'S OFFICE

Attendies. Sandy Rosen, Mike Rosen, Monique Yingling, Steven Jones, Bob Minton, and Stacey Brooks

March 28, 2002

Mike Rinder: Introduction

Mike Rinder said he would make a list. re issues.

We are happy to hear their list first

Bob Minton: Wants us to go first

Mike Rinder: Most constructive way starts with broad strokes - both sides agree need the disengagement - no Christmas cards, never hear name again

If this is what we are trying to accomplish (not like FACTNet) -- complete disengagement -- we can do it.

Mike Rinder List

1. O/S litigation has to go Florida, France, Germany

Within Florida - all have to go Civil case Breach cases / TX and FL Probate

=== This is the basis of the current joint motion by Scientology and Bob Minton to appoint an administrator. Rod Keller and Arnie Lerma have posted openly supporting Scientology's goal in this matter, concerning PROBATE, part three of this. Minton and Brooks have personally done more solid work on the first two, the civil case and the breach, with their perjury.

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2. Declarations and Affidavits - Jesse, Stacy, Vaughn - in order to not have them used in future. Mike Binder - question of how to do it more than principal

=== Neither Jesse nor RVY allowed Minton and Brooks to disgrace them and turn them into perjurers. Minton and Brooks, however, have rendered any previous or future affidavits they might ever issue pretty much worthless. The names "Minton" or "Brooks" on an affidavit is pretty much as good as stamping NOT! all over it.

So #2 is pretty much accomplished.

===

3/. LMT - website, domain names, etc. Whatever is left of LMT

=== Done. ===

4. Movie - Mike Rinder doesn't know status or what his rights are

=== Why, Bunky is working on this one! I'm sure Scientology is very pleased with his work in that direction.

===

Mike Rinder - easy on how to resolve issues - he is just trying to identity issues

[page 1]

Parameters of settlement Mutual releases No funding No stirring up press, etc.

Terms of settlement Confidential

=== They aren't that "confidential." You can see Bob and Stacy and their lackeys going through the list one by one and trying to achieve each one.

===

Mike Rinder - thinks BM probably cares more a -- BM may suffer criticism

from those he has been involved with kind regards,

=== Say what you like about Mike Rinder, he isn't stupid. I'm sure it isn't pleasant for Bob obsessively reading the commentary on his despicable conduct.

===

Mike Ringer - believes BM is sincere about wanting to accomplish this but doesn't have a specific way to go about it. Sandy has list of specifics about litigation.

SJ - best to hear specifics of litigation them they should caucus

Sandy Rosin , - This is list of what BM has caused either by funding or providing W's etc.

=== This is a fascinating list of Scientology's claimed expenditures in the various litigation they're involved in. Note that the whole numbers represent MILLIONS. The a) colums indicate how much money they have spent to date and the b) figure is an estimate of what they believe they will end up spending.

===

Florida Wrongful death a) 14.5 b) 4.5

=== Scientology has spent $14.5 million and intends to spend $4.5 million more on the wrongful death case ALONE. This doesn't include the probate case or the breach of contract case in Texas or the breach of contract case in Florida, and it also doesn't include the defense of the criminal case.

If you "follow the money" you can see that the most important thing in the world to Scientology is the wrongful death case.

It is more important to Scientology than almost everything else added up. Scientology must be thrilled they've managed to get "critics" helping them sabotage it.

===

Motion being prepared to bring Minion in to case - J Schaeffer comment -- provides of copy of motion

Breach case in Fl- - breach at BM's behest - Minton - party to case

a) $1,025,000 b) $1,000,000

=== Involving Minton in these cases represents a significant stick.

===

J has entered Steven Jones on K claim -- still has tort claims against Dell, BM & LMT

=== Another case of directly involving Minton in the case.

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Over TRO case - $700,000

=== This TRO case concerns "The Profit." Judge Beach has forbidden the movie from being seen anywhere in the world.

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Over Courage/Movie $20,000

O/ sanctions against M. Jacobson and LM or Stagy

=== Jeff Jacobsen has something like a $30,000 sanction against him personally. There are liens on the remains of the LMT and against Stacy and John Merrett, held by Flag and by RTC.

===

[page 2]

Wollersheim

SR - gives s background Minton provides $ to LW and L.eipold and affidavits His support caused the alter- ego motion to go forward a) $2,500,000 b) $3,000, 000

Sandy Rosen - w/o affidavit supplied by Mr. Minton's camp - motion would be dismissed on its face ) ~ $8.5M with interest

=== Why it's Larry Wollersheim! I do believe that Arnie helped out with that one, too! I'm sure Monique was very pleased with your good faith effort when you were being Bob's pawn, Arnie! You were helping Scientology go right! Just like when you were in the Sea Org!

===

Armstrong cases

Minton funded case in NEV. and supported Armstrong - case dismissed

2nd case in Nev. re defamation - over 3rd case Armstrong - contempt - Marin County - 131 violations at $50,000.00

=== These cases are absolute idiocy. They would eventually be thrown out and Scientology would likely be SLAPPed for them, except insofar as they relate to Armstrong. Armstrong would get shafted. Minton would, however, have the added stress of facing endless depositions in these crazy cases until the judge came up to speed, and in the short term be out six figures in legal fees, again.

===

Mr. Minton to be added to suit in Marin County for inducing breach

a) $260,000 b) $500,000

Henson - 2nd fugitive

BM not responsible for Henson but BM paid his attorneys. Berry and DC --

=== They're trying to blame Bob for Keith. Bob, by the way, hasn't paid for any of Henson's legal fees since 97 or so, and that was minimal.

===

from that time,

a) $1,065,000 b) $350,000

=== This indicates that Scientology intends to spend another $350,000 on Keith Henson alone. That's not new suits, that's just continued spending on the garbage they already have in action.

===

Posting re BM to send to KH in exile - Joke? Stacey says no moneys was sent

Ward

Case before Minton but attorneys now being funded by BM: FG & DL

Case Settled but keeps going on:

=== The reason it "keeps going on" is that they keep suing and losing.

===

a) $815,000

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b) 75,000 - discovery/now have contempt and sanctions (May 31, 2002 - trial) because of Minton funding

European Cases

France - $80,000 - These casts appear dead. SB - dead still or alive?

Germany - $25,000 - still outstanding

=== These are various libel suits, the French suit failed on a technical deficiency (late filing) and the German suit was won. This is related to Scientology's brazen libels about Minton's Nigerian debt restructuring. ===

FACTNet

Not asking for any "relief" here because case settled Mr. Minton funded attorneys when insurance ran out GM gave money to LW and has lien filed in LW case $750,000? BM says something like that

Lopez No attorney would take on contingency basis - so bad Lipoid took case - funded by Minton

a) $1,535,000

=== Settled on terms favorable to the plaintiff. The only "bad" thing about this case was that it was Scientology on the other side. As everyone who looked at it knew, the cult swindled a brain-damage victim out of every penny he had, leaving him with no money to live on. A jury would have crucified them. Luckily for them they wormed out cheap.

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Texas Breach Case

SJ questions - why 2 cases? Why one in Florida and Texas? SR says - work product.

Minton funding attorneys - Leibrick is defendant but has never paid Dandar

J. of $308,000 - damages fees- $555,000 - fees to get DM out of case - fee provision in contract

SR - explains how could be liable for breach although allowed to amend

a) $555,000 u) 150,000 - Dandar motion for JNOV on 21 separate grounds

Leibrick says - Minton & Dandar reed to take care of this

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IRS harassment

a) $30,000 b) 50,000

=== They're breaking tax law, they intend to spend another $50,000 in the ongoing effort to hide these criminal acts.

===

SR reaps awards notice re $360,000

Interest and TM disputes Use- of LM name raised by LMT Internet domain names

a) $ 32,000 $150,000

BM no copyright infringement in TM

SR - now preparing RICO case which will encompass all damages above

=== DING! The famous RICO suit that Capricorn promised us so many years ago. Minton denied seeing this, other witnesses including Jesse claim to have seen the actual suit.

===

a) $40,000 - research, etc.

Will be filed when wrongful death case won

Nonlitigation cases - demonstrations etc.

Security in Florida - $2,900,000 Security in other places Toronto, Los Angeles, DC, and San Francisco - $470,V00

=== They claim Minton is solely responsible for them carpeting all of Pinellas county with their creepy spy cams. They do that everywhere. That $2,900,000 would presumably also include the bribes (whoops, I mean "cash payments") they paid the so-called "stripe cops" who guarded the white lines.

===

Maria Pia Ghardini

a) $22,000

BM asks for total?

SR - purpose - magnitude of what BM involved in

SJ - 2 purposes - magnitude re RICO case and out of packet costs - we get that

SR - another reason -- will be in Mr. Minton's debt if he can make things can away - future expenditures not necessary - Oldster - 4.5 e.g. in wrongful death

SJ - outstanding litigation would have to go? Do we mean BM would have to bring about dismissal of McPherson case.? MR - yes that is what we want

[page 5]

MR - have to get rid of case or can't separate ourselves because BM is in case because of funding

2 April - SB bank records 5 April Criminal contempt -- 3. Schaeffer 8-9 April,- deposition and sentencing on criminal contempt if doesn't produce

SJ what is our position on LW - Does BM have to get rid of that too?

SR - recaps BM involvement - if he caused it, he can make it go away

=== They insist Bob can make Larry Wollersheim go away. They also think he somehow caused it. They seriously underestimate Wollersheim, just as they underestimated Jesse Prince and RVY. You can see some serious Scientology thinking in play here, even including their "wog"

lawyers, who are apparently just as delusional as the Scientologists themselves. The only thing that makes the lawyers any smarter is that the lawyers like Sandy Rosen are at least being paid $500 an hour to be delusional crazies.

===

BM has lien - can collect he has influence SBA -- You don't know LW

BM re funding of Leipold - never related to Lopez -- Harvey funded - DC had problems with firm

=== This line is cryptic to me, and I didn't note it before. It deserves more thought.

===

BM - has given him substantial amounts of money - may have used it to pay expenses while LW and Lopez going on.

ONE HOUR BREAK

SJ 1) Be responsive as possible to what we laid out

2) Lay out something they want to add to the mix that BM and SB find important

Fair reading that want _______resolution of issues but________in details

Some gap re what BM can control - what can be brought along BM - SB - JB - in some circumstances GW

SB tries to explain that they can't guarantee until will abide by agreement

SJ explains

Wrongful death

No Money or other support, withdrawal of JP and SB affidavits, commit to be Ws, effort to try to exert influence over- Dandar and Leibrick to resolve matter.

SJ say can't commit to making case go away

=== It's quite clear here that the issue of the McPherson case "going away"

is consuming the bulk of the time. The rest of these notes consist of reiterations of the same basic points.

===

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SR - hope this is not harbinger of things to come because extremely disappointed - SB & JP already arc not W's - Dandar has told Ct would not be W's

MR & MY- let's just hear what they have to say - more _ _ way

SB& BM & JP -- willing to stop all activities in_____Church of Scientology Exception hava to think through - website Transfer domain names

Affidavits - commit to no further affidavits in______ litigation - no willingness to say earlier affidavit improper or erroneous but she may sign letter- saying does not support use of her affidavit.

No willingness to correct outstanding affidavits

LW - need to skip over this issue for the moment

Haven't decided what could be done or what commitment

BM has money in LW case and looking to get ii back - doesn't know how -- could be assignment to us of lien and then we pay $750,000 to him in "some form"

=== Minton wants to sell his lien on Wollersheim to Scientology. This didn't work out that I know of. He did try, though.

===

SR -- asks to clarify

BM - just to back up - not sure, what affidavits are in LW - Stacey's, JP ard VY

Ward

Is friend of BM and he feels it is necessary to assist him in ways that have nothing to do with Church

=== This, by the way, is one genuinely classy thing Bob continues to do despite the current situation. I think we can conclude from this that we've probably heard the last of Grady at least with relation to Scientology.

One hopes he has learned enough from this fight that we'll hear of him again when it's time to humiliate the NSA again.

===

Struggle with way to do this

Could have and then get: agreement from GW that he would not be in Scientology business arid would not use BM money against church

=== Will this happen? Possibly. They're suggesting Grady upgrade his settlement to permanent departure in return for Minton finishing off his "pay $200 a month to Scientology until you die" deal.

===

SR - dismiss what? Our claims SR - yes

Movie - do not know status but agree to step back________no money

BM - 50% PA; 50% - BM

[page 7]

Alexander retains copyright

SJ_____suits - not sure what could be done

Stacey adds IRS domain

Agreement Mutual Releases No funding No pickets Confidentiality Recognition of no impropriety

=== Reiteration of the beginning issues.

===

SR - haven't addressed certain of litigation

SJ -- doesn't know whit can be done in some - need specific

SR - breach case - pay us

SJ - what they need

Withdrawal of all claims, investigations etc, re BM's activities in Nigeria Cause the withdrawal of Claims brought by Nigerian government

=== Minton wants the global settlement to be truly global. Just as they view large batches of litigation as Minton-related and Minton as controlling them, Minton views a lot of stuff they've set in motion as being Scientology-related and demands that it go away if he makes what they want gone disappear.

===

Stacey away provision - Church affiliates, PIs (don't need to get into what they think is going on), etc, SB, 8M, JP, GW - accountants, doctors, lawyers

No Surveillance or______gathering

All litigation and claims - go away - discovery, contempt, etc.

We too have compensation elements. If we want disengagement.

BM compensated for his payments in McPherson case - payments to Dandar.

-- yes.

Properties to purchase in CW LMT building - $300,000 JP - bonuses, etc.

1:45 - AFTER LUNCH

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MR - listened, glad some agreed on some things.

Refers to telephone call re listened in 1998 -- We arc not in same, place as l998.

MR did not: take their position as thinking we would pay them money - stop now.

We are not, in position of just expending money but also to point of recovering

Re - wrongful death case -... we will not pay YOU - but I understood it as offset.

MR - until wrongful death case goes away - we ; an not have disengagement.

MR knows BM can do it - can discuss later how BM - dreaming if thinks we will day money.

MR - can't control Nigerian government - wont BS him - can control flow of information

No problem with complete disentanglement re Investigation, etc., if out of our hair.

MR - maybe you are spot aware of where this litigation standards.

BM says he is not.

MR - "you are deep pocket" - everyone else is beneficiary of your money

We want to collect from you because you are inextricably linked to the cases.

=== They indicate their continued goal of relying on basically attacking Minton for everything everyone else does.

===

CT & DL saying Minton has to pay.

MR - not trying to posture or _________- just want to lay it out as I see it.

MR - believes can go away - believes BM wants it to and MR wants it to.

MR wants to advance Church of Scientology - not litigate - not investigate BM, etc.

=== Rinder starts smooth-talking.

===

MR believes that BM does not want hassles in life anymore, also think BM has been screwed by people who have taken his money and not done things in his best interest.

=== This, I believe, is what Jesse Prince was referring to when he said that Rinder said something like "I may be screwing you, but at least I'm doing it to your face."

===

MR - we are not going to pay you money - money will flow the other way.

=== Here enters the element of monetary extortion.

===

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BM - if we settle cases money will go back to him LW DL - not saying having to write iiim a dock

MR - we have a different perspective -- DL. and Dandar are not to get anything out of this case -- and so I am saying you will not get your money back.

SR - says Dandar is out there trying to protect his own behind.

SR - doesn't think BM has a clue of what is going on even in Florida, (Maybe bad lawyers).

SR recaps sanctions and fines pending.

Dandar out there - trying to stop discovery because lie knows what will happen.

SR believes BM can he very persuasive with Dandar.

=== Not persuasive enough.

===

SR - you know beaker - what is going on in this case

re Ws -- JP on retainer

SB - just wants to correct record re her status

SR - Clarifies position re Ward and we have J against him

SJ says knows we- have J but nor worth anything

=== Rosen and Jonas are disagreeing about the Ward breach case.

Jonas is telling them it's worthless.

===

SR Says our position is taut BM is liable for Ward's breach.

=== To show how stupid Rosen is, this case was lost outright barely two weeks later. Scientology lost, since there was no breach.

===

SJ asks MR is anything more.

MR wants to be sure that they are not expecting money - that would be a waste of time.

Re 1998 comment - not trying to be a wish guy - just thinks BM doesn't have a complete picture.

MR - we are now in position to recover some of money expended

SR, BM will not recover anything from estate - we will get our money first in breach cases.

=== Scientology thinks they're going to make some huge recovery in the breach cases. About the only other person who agrees with this assessment is Arnie Lerma.

===

BM will not get anything until other money is made.

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SJ - appreciates details but not advancing ball _. he hears what is being said re our litigation options, etc. - we will have disagreement on what will touch Bob,

SJ - do we have expectation that Florida case will go away - with no money?

Yes -- no money from us,

SJ - no resolution Unless can have Case, go away with no money Prone us.

MR - Yes.

BM - or we pay to have them go sway.

SJ - just want to know parameters

They Understand case has to go away - but want to be clear that we won't pay money to have case go away.

SB - Are we saying case dismissed or saying re: solved without paying money.

MR - latter - but same

SB - Issues in case people fool strongly about that aren't money.

=== Stacy is underestimating.

===

She is trying to gauge what she can do.

SB explains re offset? Money against estate? (tries to -- get to)

SJ? What was last settlement offer made. Sandy says none since criminal proceedings dropped

MR - can't discuss confidential mediation.

SJ -- they have _____ sources of information.

BREAK

SJ - We've caucused and here is where we are

We wave greater expectations about resolving things there are warranted.

Let's break now and make some phony calls and get some sense of reality it can resolve case without money coming from the Church

[page 11

Will get back re MR - quest on money too?

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March 29, 2002

SJ - Have thought about what via discussed yesterday that and I think best thing is to the proceed - small toys

Understand Florida case: is essential and need to make efforts there

Won't happen overnight - some steps taken already

Meeting scheduled for Wednesday with Dandar

To bring Dell into discussions need to agree not to depose her during discussions or not to depose her at all about discussions with BM and SB

They are willing to take steps and arcs extraordinary but re do that we have to dismiss.

1) contempt matters against BM

=== Rosen sleazily didn't quite request that the contempt matter against Minton be dismissed in Baird's court. He sort of did. Baird has actually not ruled on that, he has taken Rosen's idea "under advisement" and could at least theoretically still find Bob in contempt. (I find this unlikely for a variety of reasons.)

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2) to postpone

Stacey's deposition re bank records They me willing to take this extraordinary step but we must give something in return.

=== Stacy is pushing for any advantage to be gained by the cooperation they're already putting forward, described by her as "extraordinary,"

which it certainly is.

===

BM - 90 questions in order to make case go sway.

SR - asks to clarify - 90 questions

SJ - says questions -- harassment all information already given

SR - wrong if think that deposition is just to find out BM involvement in breach.

Deposition is into all financial information

SR -- we are encouraged, positive sups hope to keep momentum going.

They need to know settlement will not be on best efforts specific issues

Dell deposition - earliest scheduled would be April 12 - if we are going to have settlement, will have to before then - we will ask questions about any discussions about BM & SB

BM - can we get something in writing on dell and discussions.

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SR - will send letter to Steve confirming - whoever deposes her will send letter

SR - re contempt etc. - recounts what happened yesterday in Florida

Dandar asked J. Schaeffer to continue contempt until after deposition - J rejected this request

SR - we need to have settlement by 5 April to have it go away

=== Scientology continues inexorably forward until settlement is achieved.

===

SJ says we could tell J that questions have been answered.

SR says that is a lie with respect to bank records deposition - produce for attorney eyes only, etc.

With respect to _________breach - we will not put off until we have a settlement.

We should have a settlement before April 8 - no middle ground necessary,

SR - Let us continue on to try to settle all issues - because we will gamble that you will have success

SB - you are not willing to put oft deposition - what do we have to talk abort.

SJ - we are tasking them to take extraordinary sups - arid we should give something,

BM disagrees with what happened before re teleconference with Howie.

[page 14 - end]

=== While some stuff appears to be loose, the fact that Minton and Brooks (and anyone aiding and abetting them) are actively seeking to achieve these required actions indicates that they did, indeed, reach some kind of tentative agreement with Scientology, and their goals are to that extent the goals of Scientology. Anyone doing work for them at this point is, indeed, "doing Scientology's work." Point by point.

However, the fact that litigation continues to exist between them indicates the settlement isn't final. This could have something to do with the fact that while some of these points have met with success, the majority of them have been dismal failures, especially the most important, the wrongful death case itself.

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