Transcribed by Xenubat (Sue M.)
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MIKE McCLAUGHRY: If an attack happens that Intelligence didn't predict, we didn't-- we weren't out of the ball game, that didn't mean that, you know. Um, we kind of judged the severity of the attack and how bad it was by the different bureaus. The bureaus were laid out in a sequence. If Intelligence failed and, and an attack occurred, and Intelligence wasn't handling it, uh, then it went over to PR. Uh, PR-- then we tried to PR our way out of the attack. Uh, if PR failed, then the next thing it would go over to, the next bureau, was the Legal Bureau and you tried to sue your way out of the attack. And if that failed, the last bureau was Finance and you'd buy your way out of the attack! (laughter).

The datum is that Intelligence is supposed to predict and handle all attacks. Uh, even if it wasn't predicted, Intelligence was supposed to handle it. No other bureau was supposed to be on, doing a damn thing, okay? If Intelligence is doing its job. They should all be sitting around with their feet on their desks with nothing to do, okay? Intelligence is supposed to handle it all, all by itself. Um, when Intelligence was having difficulty with a particular attacker and they weren't getting the person handled, then other bureaus would enter the picture and they'd try to PR their way out of it, sue their way out of it or buy their way out of it. But, uh, that was all considered to be an Intelligence failure.

MIKE McCLAUGHRY: Intelligence also had internal security to deal with. Part of our training was a book called "The Spy & His Masters". This book taught you how to be a Case Officer. That's what-- that's the "master" part of the title, "The Spy & His Masters" and the Case Officer is the master of the spy. Um, this-- the technique used would be to determine the spy's motivation. Um, money was considered to be the lowest motivation. You don't wanna recruit spies who, uh, are money-motivated because they'll turn on you in a second; if the other side offers them another 10 bucks more, they're on their side! (laughter) So, uh, you try and avoid-- you would have to determine what is this person's motivation as being a spy for us, try to avoid people doing it for money, try to avoid people-- the next one up was people who, uh, were maybe ambit-- you know, they had some ambition to get promoted within the organization, something like that, was why they were doing it for you; try to avoid those as well. Um, I think the next one up was, uh, people who had some political reason for doing it. Um, (clears throat) you know, in our case we weren't in the politics, but what that meant to me was like they had some kind of allegiance to the organization, uh, they agreed with what you were doing and that kind of a thing. The top motivation was duty; the person was doing it out of a sense of responsibility. And those were the kind of spies we tried to recruit because they were the safest, um, most unlikely to turn, uh, that, that kind of a thing.

Uh, when I say "spy", I'm talking about somebody who lives their cover. I'm not talking about somebody who does a 10 minute, um-- well, we called them "suitable guises"; there's other words for 'em like "pretext interviews", that kind of thing. A pretext interview or a suitable guise would be something that was a short-lived, um, you know, you got throwaway type cover for a temporary situation. Um-- geez, I can hardly think of one. Uh, let's say I just wanted to know your telephone number, okay? And so I call up-- I don't, I don't know your telephone number or maybe I can't find you, I don't know where you live. But I know where your mother lives, okay? So I call up your mother and say I'm your friend and I'm looking for you, can you tell me your phone number, and I get it, okay? That's a-- that's a suitable guise or a pretext interview, okay? That's a throwaway thing, you know, you just use it once, it's-- it's there for a few minutes and it's gone, you know. Uh, you got the information you wanted. Those were commonly used, but I'm not talk-- when I say "spy", I don't mean that. I mean somebody who is just like in the normal intelligence community, um, the government's-- their kind of spies that they use on each other. These-- you know, those people live their cover. They have false identities in a lot of cases, and we did know how to make false identities for people.

MIKE McCLAUGHRY: You basically go out and you look for an infant death in the newspaper around the age period of the person who's gonna be the spy, okay? Um, an infant death, you know, there's a birth certificate on record there, but there's nobody who ever lived that life. So you get their birth certificate and you go out and you get yourself a driver's license, uh, a Social Security card and every other kind of ID you want, and assume that person's name. That's how you do it--

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: How do you get a birth certificate?

MIKE McCLAUGHRY: Well, back then-- you know, I think laws have changed a little bit. Back then, I mean, you just walk in; it's public record, you know? I want a copy of it, they didn't ask any questions.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Hmm.

MIKE McCLAUGHRY: You know, give you a copy of it and down you go to the DMV with it-- "This is me, give me a driver's license" and do the whole bit, right? You build a whole false identity (laughs), and there you go. So that's how that was done. That-- that would be a deep cover type of spy. Now, this person is-- when I say they're living this false identity, uh, that's what I mean. They're going by this false name, they have false-- you know, everything's false. One of the nice things about that is this person could do every kind of thing you ever heard of and never get blamed for it as his real identity, you know what I'm saying? (laughs) Um, it just wouldn't track back to him. Um, we didn't do a lot of that. Mostly people would use their own real names, but they were still deep cover spies because they were living their cover every day. Um, in some-- a lot of cases they had false names, uh, without going through the process of actually, you know, building a total false identity for 'em. They would just-- say that we sent 'em in to infiltrate the anti-cult movement, for instance, which is something I specifically did. Um, what I did was I took a Scientologist-- we wanted to infiltrate the anti-cult movement. Um, I expelled this Scientologist so on paper it looked like they were expelled, you know. We wrote out the Ethics Orders, the whole bit, um, false Comm Ev, everything like that, and then this person was kicked out of the church. Um, in everybody's mind in the church this person was expelled Scientologist. Uh, the only people who knew that they weren't was, you know, the guys in the Intelligence Bureau. And that's a deep cover spy. So this person would go out and, uh, they were using their actual name, uh, but their cover was, it was that they were, uh, no longer in Scientology, no longer agreed with it, agreed with the anti-cult people, you know, and wanted to do-- you know, they were mad at Scientology, they wanted to help the anti-cult movement expose it and stuff like that. And then, so of course they were opened with welcome arms by the anti-cult people and now here we go and now there's my deep cover spy in the anti-cult movement. So predict, predict, predict-- "Oh, they're gonna deprogram so-and-so tomorrow. Oh, I see." See what I mean?

This group right here is a target for getting a spy, and they ain't gonna sleep at night till they do it! (laughs)

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: I'm afraid that's true.

MIKE McCLAUGHRY: Okay.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Hope it's not you.

MIKE McCLAUGHRY: Well, I'll tell you something about that that will help you find out who it might be. Because Intelligence is also charged with finding spies in the organization.

Now that person I'm talking about that I sent in on the anti-cult movement-- there is a limit to what I would let that person do. Okay? You know, they could criticize, they could help, they could complain, they could natter all they wanted to about Scientology; I really didn't care. But I would not let 'em go to a newspaper and say it.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Hmm.

MIKE McCLAUGHRY: I would not let 'em testify in a court case against Scientology.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Um-hmm.

MIKE McCLAUGHRY: That's going too damn far, you're causing more destruction than you're worth! (laughs) Okay, you know what I'm saying?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Um-hmm

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Um-hmm.

(laughs)

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: You'd test the person.

MIKE McCLAUGHRY: Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Um-hmm.

MIKE McCLAUGHRY: That's what I'm telling you.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Um-hmm.

MIKE McCLAUGHRY: What I'm doing right here-- no way, Jose, you ain't making no tape like that! You know what I'm saying? (laughter) The Case Officer is gonna put us-- you know, no, you ain't doing that. Okay. (laughs)

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Right.

MIKE McCLAUGHRY: So (laughs) that's one way to tell.