US response No. 3 to complaint

From: martinottmann@yahoo.com (Martin Ottmann)
Subject: US response No. 3 to complaint
Date: 1 Jan 2003 02:15:18 -0800
Message-ID: <71d327bb.0301010215.1a309e23@posting.google.com>

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20224

Chief
Criminal Investigation
Tampa Field Office

Mr. Martin Ottmann
54, rue Pierre Brossolette
92300 Levallois-Perret
France

May 6, 2002

Dear Mr. Ottmann:

We are in receipt of the Citizen's Complaint you provided to the United States Attorney's Office in Tampa, FL. We have forwarded it to our Lead Development Center (LDC) in St. Petersburg, FL for further analysis and research. Once the LDC has evaluated the information provided, it will either be sent back to the Criminal Division or forwarded to one of the civil divisions for handling. I should comment that should the matter be pursued criminally, as a matter of standard practice, the IRS will not notify you or be in a position to give you a status update. However, it is possible someone would contact you to clarify information or ask additional questions. It is obvious that you spent a great deal of time and effort compiling the information, and I can assure you this matter will be given the attention it deserves.

If you have any questions, please contact me at (727) 570-5548, ext. 219.

Sincerely,

[Signature]
Sheila W. Geer
Supervisory Special Agent

cc: Karen Drennon

From: "Magoo" <magoo44@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <QgzQ9.23187$p_6.1836225@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 10:19:28 GMT

Hey....Martin...

Will these people look into Scientology who has ripped me off for $29,000?

I have that money "On account" but they insist I have nothing.

It's theft at it's best...and I'd love some help from the US Gov't.

Please let me know.

Thank you :)

Tory/Magoo!

From: martinottmann@yahoo.com (Martin Ottmann)
Date: 1 Jan 2003 08:07:45 -0800
Message-ID: <71d327bb.0301010807.6c0f2bba@posting.google.com>

"Magoo" <magoo44@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<QgzQ9.23187$p_6.1836225@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...

> Hey....Martin...
>
> Will these people look into Scientology who has ripped me off for $29,000?
>
> I have that money "On account" but they insist I have nothing.
>
> It's theft at it's best...and I'd love some help from the US Gov't.
>
> Please let me know.

I hope you aware that you are asking a guy for advice who thought that he had presented on a silver plate the US government the illegalities of Scientology and that it would be inevitable for them act at least "a bit". They got 379 exhibits and all I got in return was 3 We-are-referring-this-matter-letters and an excerpt of the original complaint included in a threat posted on the Internet. So I am not necessarily the one who knows how the move your government.

Nevertheless, this is what you might consider to do: From earlier posts I think I remember you saying that you paid the IAS or the Freewinds this money. So these organizations are not located in California and their bank accounts are most likely in Luxemburg, Europe. If they actually ripped you off this money, then this would be a federal crime, as far as I can see. You can find the US Title 18, which covers all the federal crimes, on the Internet. Use google.

You can go to your local FBI Field Office and file a formless complaint there.

If you want to do it "my way", then go to Federal Court on 312 Spring Street in LA (I assume you live in the LA Area). Either on the 9th or the 12th floor is the reception area of the US Attorney's Office. There you demand the questionnaire for a "Citizen Complaint". You fill it out, attach an affidavit and any evidence to it, and return it and hope for the best.

The US Attorney's Office would not start an investigation, but would refer the matter to another agency, f. e. to the FBI. The difference between this way and going to directly to the FBI would be that a request of an US Attorney's Office of an investigation would carry more weight than if you do it, because they have to decide at the end of the day if they file criminal charges.

On their website the US Attorney's Office claims that it is one of the biggest offices (personnel) and that it only recruits the best attorneys. Well, so "theoretically" that would be the place to go with regards to your problem.

It might also be a good idea to file a copy of this complaint separately with a private attorney. You mention this on the above mentioned form. This may then look to the reader of your complaint as if this is actually a serious matter.

But as I said, I am evidently not the one who can tell you, what you have to do to achieve certain results.

From: philscott88@hotmail.com (Phil Scott)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:13:43 GMT
Message-ID: <3e1189f5.4456809@news.tdl.com>

On 1 Jan 2003 08:07:45 -0800, martinottmann@yahoo.com (Martin Ottmann) wrote:

>"Magoo" <magoo44@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<QgzQ9.23187$p_6.1836225@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
>
>> Hey....Martin...
>>
>> Will these people look into Scientology who has ripped me off for $29,000?
>>
>> I have that money "On account" but they insist I have nothing.
>>
>> It's theft at it's best...and I'd love some help from the US Gov't.
>>
>> Please let me know.
>
>I hope you aware that you are asking a guy for advice who thought that
>he had presented on a silver plate the US government the illegalities
>of Scientology and that it would be inevitable for them act at least
>"a bit". They got 379 exhibits and all I got in return was 3
>We-are-referring-this-matter-letters and an excerpt of the original
>complaint included in a threat posted on the Internet. So I am not
>necessarily the one who knows how the move your government.
>
>Nevertheless, this is what you might consider to do: From earlier
>posts I think I remember you saying that you paid the IAS or the
>Freewinds this money. So these organizations are not located in
>California and their bank accounts are most likely in Luxemburg,
>Europe. If they actually ripped you off this money, then this would be
>a federal crime, as far as I can see. You can find the US Title 18,
>which covers all the federal crimes, on the Internet. Use google.
>
>You can go to your local FBI Field Office and file a formless
>complaint there.
>
>If you want to do it "my way", then go to Federal Court on 312 Spring
>Street in LA (I assume you live in the LA Area). Either on the 9th or
>the 12th floor is the reception area of the US Attorney's Office.
>There you demand the questionnaire for a "Citizen Complaint". You fill
>it out, attach an affidavit and any evidence to it, and return it and
>hope for the best.
>
>The US Attorney's Office would not start an investigation, but would
>refer the matter to another agency, f. e. to the FBI. The difference
>between this way and going to directly to the FBI would be that a
>request of an US Attorney's Office of an investigation would carry
>more weight than if you do it, because they have to decide at the end
>of the day if they file criminal charges.
>
>On their website the US Attorney's Office claims that it is one of the
>biggest offices (personnel) and that it only recruits the best
>attorneys. Well, so "theoretically" that would be the place to go with
>regards to your problem.
>
>It might also be a good idea to file a copy of this complaint
>separately with a private attorney. You mention this on the above
>mentioned form. This may then look to the reader of your complaint as
>if this is actually a serious matter.
>
>But as I said, I am evidently not the one who can tell you, what you
>have to do to achieve certain results.

I think thats good advice with one addition... first I'd get all this paper work together and ready to file as Martin suggests. Then I would call Judy Fontana at OSA legal, she has been reported recently to be in LA, probably at the complex or where ever. I'd tell her that you wish have your money on account returned and are scheduled to meet your attorney with your properly filled out complaint and attachements on date certain (set a date and make an appointment with your attorneys, don't name the firm)...and then two weeks after that ask them to file the complaint with the US attorneys office unless you recieve your funds back in full pior to that date. .. give Judy all these dates.

Then take a tip from Ted Mayett and start picketing the cult at random half an hour to an hour a day. That worked very well for Ted, they paid him a little money each few days until he got this unused money on account back.

then picket an extra month for every day they stall you...tell OSA legal that in advance. Then do the pickets.

Myself, if I had it to do again, and since the scientologists attacked my BUSINESS directly...costing me over $20,000 in cash, and so much stress I suffered severe, almost fatal, health consequences.

Myself Id not picket the usual cult sites but their WISE operations. .. probably their hole in Glendale Calif. Nice area too, you could take breaks at the Starbucks in style. That would get some action Im sure (wear full body armor though, kevalar, including a bullet proof vest and some steel ear plugs and armored goggles, so they cant jam an ice pick into your ear.)..

and leave your cat with a neighbor when you are out.

To save time make it clear you will not be signing a gag order.

That approach has proven fruitful in the past in a similar dollar range.

Scn inc has plenty of money, the Mikie Kobrin ATEG pump and dump went to 40 million alone, Brian Zwann has given them tens of millions from the DIGL pump and dump (5 billion vaporized to insiders and other players on that deal)....so they have the money. They made tens of millions off of the Slatkin fraud (recall the reports that Reedie boy paid the cult not to reg his 'clients'...also the large amount from that fraud donated to the cult directly for 'services')

the question is do they need another lawsuit and a new batch of feds up to the plate trying to explain why they dont do anything about these cult of scientology crimes ?... thats the $29,000 question.

Call your contacts in the press to come video a picket or two.

and write up useful and informative and humorous picket reports like Ted did...that will start another ground swell of picketing around the world..and may also give a few hundred others a notion of what the workable tactics for getting refunds are.

Phil Scott