>Hello. I have stumbled across your site "Skeptic Tank",
>and I was wondering how and wny you are in conflict with
>Narconon. Could you please explain this to me?
Well, it shouldn't be too difficult to discern that from the web site's contents. The web site contains court documents, magazine articles, newspaper articles, medical findings, doctor's opinions, and eyewitness reports providing a pretty good detailed description of why Scientology's "Narconon" scam is so widely opposed out in the real world.
Many of the detailed descriptions of the scams which take place in Scientology's "Narconon" were written by ex-followers of the notorious cult. They confirm the various findings of Judges, medical doctors, medical review boards, and State Licensing authorities through out the United States and abroad.
The fact that the cult lies when it claims that their quack medical scams are some how successful is probably beside the point. Of greater concern are the dangerous and deadly quack medical procedures that the cult inflicts upon its incognizant victims. Scientology's procedures are derived from freakishly bizarre notions about how humans are infested with invisible aliens and so their procedures are equally insane.
To be specific: Scientology "forgets" to inform its "Narconon" victims that what they're really doing is having what Scientology calls "Body Thetans" scraped off. Scientology thinks that people who have drug problems are under the influence of "Body Thetans" -- invisible fragments of aliens that were murdered by a Galactic Ruler named "Xenu." Scientology doesn't tell its "Narconon" victims that before they sign up for Scientology's dubious "treatment" but that omission is in keeping with the fraudulent basis of Scientology's existence. You can see hand written copies of L. Ron Hubbard's story about Xenu at http://www. Scientologists don't tell their potential "Narconon" victims any of this before they sign them up. In my opinion that constitutes massive fraud.
Incidentally, I received a report that the Scientology cult has apparently been telling telephone callers to their Oklahoma "Narconon" office that the http://www.Crackpots.ORG/ web site is bring run and maintained by "someone in Europe" who "has ties" with "a drug manufacturing company." They don't mention any specifics which callers could check out, of course, since that would make it too easy for callers to see that Scientology lied to them.
The cult has been asked any number of times to let me know when they find anything inaccurate, mistaken, or wrong in any of the documentation covering their apparently fraudulent "Narconon" scam and yet Scientology has been unable to do so. Instead the cult persists in lying and claims that the public dissemination of everything that's known about their "Narconon" scam is some how motivated by psychologists, by drug manufacturers, or by drug users. (In other words, Scientology claims exposure of their quack medical scams and their endless other crimes is some kind of worldwide conspiracy.)
The fact is that if any of the information was incorrect, the notorious Scientology cult would sue every Judge, report officer, court reporter, medical review board, magazine publisher, newspaper editor et al. that has ever covered Scientology's "Narconon" scam. Scientology tried many times and found that they couldn't silence the truth; they sued the Washington Post, Reader's Digest, Time Magazine, and many others when those publications printed solidly evidenced facts about Scientology. Scientology lost every time because the truth about Scientology is well evidenced.
It's up to Scientology to show evidence to support its claims. They refuse to because they can't; all available evidence indicates that the cult is a bunko fraud -- and Judges have opined just that repeatedly. If Scientology's quack medical scam actually _did_ work, it would be in wide use around the world and there would be endless medical journal publications covering their miracle cure. Nobody would oppose Scientology's quack "Purification Rundown" if it actually worked. Nobody would have any reason to. Scientology can't provide one single peer- reviewed medical journal reference which supports their outlandish claims. That's because Scientology's "Narconon" is predicated in absurdity and by all external indications is motivated solely by fraudulent financial gain.
All of this is my opinion, of course, yet you'll without doubt find that reviewing the extant public record paints Scientology's "Narconon" as nothing but a deliberate scam. That many --if not most -- Scientologists actually believe it works is unfortunate yet beside the point that it's a scam. Belief doesn't constitute science but in many cases belief _kills_ and for those reasons I and everyone else who knows what Scientology is and what it does opposes their criminal activities and their quack medical scams.
Oh: By the way, there's no magical quick fix when it comes to overcoming a drug or alcohol addiction. I've never taken illegal drugs of any kind and I can't stand alcohol. But I know a little bit about how hard it can be to kick a habit and I know that Scientology's claims of a miraculous cure sounds like it's an easy way to get sober and straight, but real life isn't anything like what Scientology claims. There are no magic bullets, no magical cures, and no absolutes when it comes to kicking a habit. (Just as there are no magical short cuts for weight loss and just as there's no such thing as a get rich quick scheme. Real life doesn't work easy.)
Nothing works well when it comes to kicking a bad habit so one's left either fending for oneself or trying things that are _known_ to work at least some of the time. I don't know much about Narcotics Anonymous but I _do_ know that they don't make outlandish promises, and I _do_ know that they're not motivated by money. Scientology's "Narconon" is a recruitment front for the cult; Narcotics Anonymous also has the detrimental artifact that it's predicated in Christian ideology but at least Narcotics Anonymous is forthright and truthful about who they are and what they stand for. Scientology repeatedly demands that their "Narconon" has nothing to do with Scientology but thanks to the Internet everyone knows that's another one of their endless lies.
I hope I've answered your question in some detail. I believe that zI'll add the comments I've made here to the web site. Since the notorious Scientology cult routinely checks out the web site, I'd encourage the cult to let me know if they find anything inaccurate, incomplete, our just plain wrong anywhere on the http://www.Crackpots.ORG/ web site so that their corrections may be verified and corrected on the web site.
-- Insane nut rant at http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice "Commodore Rimjob" is available at http://crimjob.tripod.com Why did the Scientologist cross the road? - mimus To slug Bob Minton. - Shydavid (See http://www.BobMinton.ORG/ "You can lie about ICR all you want." -- "Jason Daniel Henderson" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Avoir sexe avec L. Ron Hubbard's crane et le nain il troupeau en sur.
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Rev. Fredric L. Rice) wrote in message news:<email@example.com>...
> Incidentally, I received a report that the Scientology cult has
> apparently been telling telephone callers to their Oklahoma
> "Narconon" office that the http://www.Crackpots.ORG/ web site is
> bring run and maintained by "someone in Europe" who "has ties"
> with "a drug manufacturing company." They don't mention any
> specifics which callers could check out, of course, since that
> would make it too easy for callers to see that Scientology lied
> to them.
They may mean me. :-) Shelley Beckmann of Narconon has already posted to ars claiming that "To put this much effort into a web site that attempts to discredit a workable drug rehab program makes it loud and clear that someone is more interested in getting people on drugs than off."
Good though crackpots.org is, it does have some major flaws - it's basically a document dump with little attempt made to explain why Narconon is bad or what it actually does. That approach may work for confirmed critics, but it's not much use for the average person who wants to know about Narconon. It doesn't have a search engine, reducing its use even for critics. (I've ended up having to download it and search it on my own hard disk.) Frankly, while it's pretty useful for research I don't think it's particularly good as a general introduction to Narconon.
As a matter of fact, my own Narconon pages (now kindly hosted by Dave Touretzky at http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/essays/narconon/narconon.html ) are under a major redevelopment - pretty much a top-to-bottom rewrite. I've realised that there's a lot more that I could have said about Narconon, and I've managed to track down quite a lot of potentially damaging material that hasn't been made public up to now. I've deliberately designed the new-look site to answer specific questions which people may have about Narconon.
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