MR. DARDANO: Yes.

MR. SHOEMAKER: -- someplace?

MR. DARDANO: I believe he's working in the group called WISE.

MR. BERFIELD: What was that name, again?

MR. SHOEMAKER: Called what?

MR. DARDANO: WISE.

MR. SHOEMAKER: Wise, W-i-s-e?

MR. CALDERBANK: That's a business, business community of Scientologists.

MR. DARDANO: It's the Institute of Scientology Enterprises. it's a group that sells Sclientology technology to businessmen. You get the businessmen to use Scientology data and technology in their business.

MR. SHOEMAKER: Are you aware, Mr. Dardano, at any time of confidential information from auditing files or something such as that being used against individuals?

MR. DARDANO: Yes, I'm -- well, it's just the -it's one of the major lies of Scientology. The auditing files -- they're passed around the org. all the time. It doesn't make any difference who you are. Just about anyone can get information out of the auditing file.

MR. SHOEMAKER: Did you personally ever

MR. DARDANO: And I

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MR. SHOEMAKER: -- see anyone else go in the file?

MR. DARDANO: No. I never had anything to do with

MR. SHOEMAKER: Thank you.

MR. LeCHER: Okay.

Mr. Calderbank, again, I'd like

MR. CALDERBANK: Three brief questions. where-did you learn your burglary skills?

MR. DARDANO: Mostly from books and practicing.

MR. CALDERBANK: Where did you get the practice and the books?

MR. DARDANO: Just around the house that we were living in, the lock picking; we'd get practice lockpick- ing.

MR. CALDERBANK: Scientology taught you and supplied you with the--information you needed to help train you?

MR. DARDANO: Yes, sir.

MR. CALDERBANK: Is that a policy of the Church to do that or

MR. DARDANO: Yes, they're very specific: intelli- gence packets that are--- intelligence are trained specific ally on how to do breaking and entering, how to lock pick.

MR. CALDERBANK: And this is supported by the policy

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of Scientology?

MR. DARDANO: Yes. Nothing we did -- we had quite a few we' would go in and look for information under. the guise of students doing research or -- basically, lying to get information, using cover stories to get information about people or places.

MR. CALDERBANK: Is this a policy that's done world-j~ wide in the Scientology organization or utilized world- wide?

MR. DARDANO: Yes. It's done under the t-raining ozfj~ Bureau 1 in the G -- in the Guardian's Office.

MR. CALDERBANK: Any information or communication, while you were in Boston engaged in these activities, come from or go to Clearwater?

MR. DARDANO: Yes, it did because all Clearwater is Flag, Flag Land Base.

MR. CALDERBANK: So, in

MR. DARDANO: Virtually all information across the planet comes to Clearwater.

MR. CALDERBANK: So, we control these type of criminal activities all over the world from Flag here, Clearwater?

MR. DARDANO: Yes, sir.

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MR. CA.LDERBANK: Okay.. The person that ran the criminal practices what's his name, Deac

MR. DARDANO: Deac Finn.

MR. CALDERBANK: Deac Finn is now, to the best of your knowledge, here in Clearwater in a local mission running the WISE

MR. DARDANO: WISE just -- I'm not sure what city it is; it's not Clearwater.

MR. CALDERBANK: But it's in Florida somewhere?

MR. DARDANO: In Florida, somewhere within an hour to an hour and-a-half from Clearwater.

MR. CALDERBANK: Working with W-I-S-E

MR. DARDANO: Yes.

MR. CALDERBANK: -- which is selling Scientology technology to.private industries, private businesses?

MR. DARDANO: Yes.

MR. CALDERBANK: That's all.

MR. LeCHER: All right.

Mr. Berfield.

MR. BERFIELD: Just a couple of quick ones:' You said you had a lawsuit against the Scientologists?

MR. DARDANO:. No, I don't

MR. BERFIELD: Do they have one against you?

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MR. DARDANO: No, sir.

MR. BERFIELD: Can you tell us just very briefly what made you come down here today?

MR. DARDANO: Just for the fact that I know it's important. Scientology has been putting the screws to a lot of people for a long time. And I spent six years and fifteen thousand dollars. .The kids -- the people that are being indoctrinated into the Church are -- they're being duped into it. Most of them are just.swallowed up by the Church. They're not allowed to think f'or themselves. You go into the Church and you're immediately fed with L. Ron Hubbard's data. You're not allowed to use any of your own information and experiences to evaluate the presentsituation. You're completely isolated from society. You thi-nk you're doing the best thing in the world. You think you're going to help the world. And you become so dedicated and ingrained in the doctrine of L. Ron Hubbard.

MR. BERFIELD: How would you describe the practice of Scientology?

MR. DARDANO: How would I describe it?

MR. BERFIELD: Yes. Are they honest, deceptive

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MR. DARDANO: They're just -- money making; that's all they want to do, just make a buck.

MR. LeCHER: Okay. Mrs. Garvey, any questions?

MRS. GARVEY: Yes. Just -- sir, why did you leave? What finally was the break point?

MR. DARDANO: I was -- after the line was broken up because of the out security and George Bristol's cover being blown in the Attorney General's Office, I went down to FOLO, Flag liaison office in New York. And I was trained there for -- to become a missioner. But Deac Finn and I had several personality conflicts. He had called me back to Boston and I was security checked for about six hours. And after that -- security checking is -- it can get pretty brutal at times, and I had just had enough and decided to leave.

MRS. GARVEY: Why -- what was your justification for your burglarizing and stealing of files?

MR. DARDANO: I thought Scientology was going to save the planet and free the world and we were right and everyone else was wrong.

MRS. GARVEY: Did you see -- did you receive

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detailed reports that you had to follow on your -

MR. DARDANO: No. Our reports were all typed and handwritten. We didn't receive any written information from the higher sources. It was all given verbally or it was given in written form, but all of the written form was destroyed immediately after it was received.

MRS. GARVEY: That's it.

MR. LeCHER: One just quick question for the record: You mentioned someone recruited you into the dirty tricks movement from the Guardian's Office. would you like to give me that name of that person who recruited you?

MR. DARDANO: Yes. It was Gary Brown.

MR. LeCHER: Gary'?

MR. DARDANO: Gary

MR. LeCHER: Gary Brown.

MR. DARDANO: -- Brown.

MR. LeCHER: Okay. Again, because of the time constraints we're under, were going -- that's all the questions we have.

MR. CALDERBANK: I've got just one question. So your beliefs in Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard, and the policies that come from that organization induced you into criminal activities in Boston?

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MR. DARDANO: Yes, sir.

Mr. Flynn has asked me to clarify: At the time that I was involved in these activities, Flag was not located at Clearwater; Flag was still on board the Apollo, because these activities ended in -- well, as far as I was concerned, they ended in early 176.

MR. LeCHER: Okay. Thank you very much.

MR. FLYNN: I'd like to see if we can clarify that date. What's your best memory as to when -- whatever your best memory is

MR. DARDANO: I believe it ended in 1976.

MR. LeCHER: Thank you. Do you have a witness, Mr. Flynn?

MR. FLYNN: I do. The next witness is going to be Paulette Cooper. I'd like to put a couple of documents quickly on the overhead projector, if I could.

MR. LeCHER: How many documents do you have, Mr. Flynn?

MR. FLYNN: We'll put

MR. LeCHER: Approximately?

MR. FLYNN: We'll put about five or six on. Kevin, why don't we start with Project Owl.

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This -- in interest of time, we're going to really narrow this down. We're going to put the entire exhibit into evidence. Some of the exhibits involve the Ops Checksheets on clay demoing things, like Mr. Mayer was talking about: how they do it, the documents they have to read. Some of the documents involve how to commit a burglary, the various steps; discussions and lessons on lock-picking devices, how to use them, with descriptions. Some of the documents involve things like making an evaluation of what has been a successful and an unsuccessful action. And they 'include things like: burglarizing, larceny, smearing, covert third-partying, launching anti-press campaigns, tracing individual reporters, various types of harassment,.and things like..that. It's a -- they're multi-page documents, and I'm not sure we-have the time to go into them. The Commission will have them all at their disposal. For instance, one of the documents is lists of agencies across the country that the organization is going to burglarize to steal documents from, and it contains the name of just about every national agency that you could probably think of . The first exhibit on the projector is an operation called Project Owl. And in that operation, I would refer

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you to the second page -- well, you see under -- there's an example up there, a major target. To handle the -- to handle the attack being generated on Wise refund cycle, both with Wise and his attorney and at the Suffolk County DA's office, and then it goes through various primary targets. And there's names: "Deac, Gary B., Kathy B.," a 11 of which the witness could give direct testimony on, if we took the time.* If you go over to the second page, you'll see a heading under "Vital Targets," and then going down to "Operating Targets," you see: "CDC and time tracks done on the following" - that's overt data collections "Stanley Cath, Attorney John Lynch, John Wise, John Wise's father, Reverend Steves," and then there's some others penciled in there, including "Thomas Dwyer," who happens to be a colleague of mine from law school, who was then in the Assistant District Attorney's Office. Then, number two, you will see: "Obtain Cath's files on" - then in parentheses - "(by FSM" - which is field staff member - "or other means as appropriate)" of which there's been testimony - "a, John Wise, b, Scientology. And Dr,- Cath is a medical doctor from Boston or Belmont, Massachusetts upon which Miss Cooper will testify because it was her doctor. And then number c is:

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"others as needed" - parentheses - "(including Paulette Cooper material not previously obtained)," which would sugge st that they had already gone in before then. "Cliff Stanton files, Cath personal files, material on deprogramming, Mrs. Elaine Lieberman, Van Roeschmann, International Foundation for Individual Freedom" - IFIT -- IFIF - "Return to Personal Choice, Dr. Taylor and Ted Backer. Do.CDC" - that's covert data collections - "on Cath -for data on his book, fish for leads that Cath knows Wise and/or Stanton, use Cath to establish lines to other areas for CDC," et cetera. What the Commission needs to be aware of in the con- text of all of this information is that this is just one project of which we're getting a little more specific. And that entire project will go in as the next exhibit. (A copy of Project Owl was marked as Exhibit No. 48, as of this date.)

MR. FLYNN: Operation Freakout is a multi-page exhibit, which the Commission can read with regard to very specific instructions as to who was to do what in order to carry out this operation, which -- the reading of-which is rather remarkable. The first item of attention is under "Major Target," right at the top, "To get PC incarcerated in a

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mental institution or jail, or at least to hit her so hard that she drops her attack." I would.s.uggest to you that the Project'Owl was a part of Freakout when they attempted to obtain Miss Cooper's psychiatric files from Dr. Cath in order to put her in a mental institution or in jail, of which she will testify. And I would also I would also direct the commission's attention -- we'll have to go back to Owl and put the last page of Owl on the transparency. And as you can see, there's all kinds there's very specific instructions on what they do, when they do it, et cetera, et cetera. But going down to the bottom, you'll see a name at the bottom, "Mike Cooper." Mike Cooper is Mitchell Hermann, who is one of the individuals who has been convicted and is now in jail, and he was the Guardian of the Southeast U.S. Sect, during this period of time, which was Clearwater. And this particular project originated in your city.

MR. CALDERBANK: Mike, these people seem to have an affinity for infiltrating district attorneys' offices. Would you give any information or any documentation.- I've seen some as to the information or

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infiltration that was either gained or the office infiltrated for our State Attorney General, Mr. Russell, or for the local office? Was it ever targeted, or do you have documentation to that effect, Clearwater documents?

MR. FLYNN: Yes. There -- as I said, we've got a whole separate package just on Clearwater, which is two or three inches thick, which is, I would suggest to you, just; a mere sampling of some of the documents. All of the Red i Box data was never received. Another seventy or eighty thousand documents are up in the Clerk's 0ffice in Washington, D.C. under seal. -these documents are not under seal. And the documents that have been under seal have never been viewed by my office - and I don't know who else they've been viewed by - but I would suggest that there may be other documents pertaining to Clearwater.

MR. CALDERBANK: I'd just like the people to know that our DA offices, also, are a target - or at least in a document - a projected target for infiltration.

MR. FLYNN: Oh, yes. The exhibits that are in the Clearwater packet start right at the beginning with Operation Normandy to take over the City of Clearwater, outlining all of the offices that are going to be infiltrated and documents are going to be stolen from, people are going to be planted in. There's probably thirty or

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thirty-five such offices. We'll reach that at another point in time. But they're all laid out very clearly in Operation Normandy. And you might remember that Normandy was a beachhead for in Worl - d War II, and Clearwater was a beachhead for Mr. Hubbard. Okay. We'll now go forward with Paulette Cooper. I will have these other documents marked on how -to commit burglaries, evaluations of which types of covert operations are successful and unsuccessful, as well as the drills that one goes through, such as Mr. Mayer, Mr. Dardano, Mrs. Peterson, Mr. Walters, and others have described as to how you're trained to do very specIrIc things. (A copy of Operation Freakout was marked as Exhibit No. 49, as of this date; Documents on how to commit burglaries, evaluations of covert operations, and drills were marked as Exhibit Nos. 50, 51, and 52, as of this date.)

MR. LeCHER: Would you like to call your next witness, now?

MR. FLYNN: Miss Cooper, please.

MR. LeCHER: Miss Cooper, will you be sworn in, please?

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PAULETTE COOPER, a witness herein, having first been duly sworn by a Clerk for the City of Clearwater, was examined and testified as follows:

MR. LeCHER: Miss Cooper, are you appearing here today and testifying under oath voluntarily?

MS. COOPER: Yes.

MR. LeCHER: Have you been paid by anyone for your testimony, other than the expenses for com-ing to the City of Clearwater?

MS. COOPER: No. %IR. :,eCHER: Do .-ou na-\.- a 'awsuit aga4ns- Church of Scientoiogy?

MS. COOPER: Yes.

MR. LeCHER: Does the Church of Scientology have a lawsuit against you?

MS. COOPER: Yes.

MR. LeCHER: How many, eighteen? -MR. FLYNN: And for the record, the Commissioners may remember that one of the earlier exhibits on the purpose of a lawsuit, which was read, to harass and discourage and to destroy the person. Mi. LeCHER: Has anyone suggested to you that you should state inything but the truth or has anyone suggested that you change your testimony for any reason?

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MS. COOPER: No.

MR. LeCHER: How do you defend yourself against eighteen lawsuits?

MS. COOPER: I work day and night to support the lawyers.

MR. LeCHER: I don't know how you could simply afford it.

MS. COOPER: I figured out just recently that it's cost over fifty thousand dollars for legal fees on the suits.

MR. FLYNN: For the record, I haven't received anY of that.

MR. LeCHER: Start at the beginning, please.

MS. COOPER: Okay. I'm a freelance writer; I live in-Manhattan. I'm the author of several hundred articles, two of which are about Scientology; I'm also the author of six books, one of which is The Scandal of Scientology. I have been studying Scientology since 1968. The last couple of years, the Scientologists --

MR. LeCHER: I don't think they can hear you, Miss Cooper,'in the back of the room.

MS. COOPER: Okay. The last couple of years, the Scientologists have'

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been telling the people of Clearwater that they've changed and they've advanced a lot in the last couple of years. I certainly haven't noticed it. As I said, the eighteenth lawsuit was just served on me last week. I am being sued now repeatedly by individual Scientologists, who, in some cases, I don't even know, suits for supposedly distributing literature at functions I didn't even attend. Part of the purpose in harassing people with law- suits is to keep deposing t,hem and preventina you from writing or making a living and maiking you show up at legal depositions. I've been deposed for nineteen days total since this started, with four more coming up in a couple of weeks. There has also been some other harassment in the past six montbz or so: continued calls to me, calls to my family. The Scientologists find out what the person's buttons are, as they put it, and the way to get to them. And they know that a way to get me is to harass my parents.. So, they have been under a great deal of harassment, as well as my harassment. They've put out libelous publications about me; they've sent letters saying that I was soon to be imprisoned. And you saw the Operation Freakout and

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attempts that have been made to put me in prison. They've sent false reports about me to the Justice Department, the District Attorney's Office, the IRS. As You know, government agencies have to investigate any complaints that they get. So, then, Scientology sends out press releases that Iam under investigation by the Attorney General's Office, I am under investigation by the DA, and so on. They have put detectives on me; they have put spies on me. A few months ago, they put an attempted spy on my mother to try to get information about me from her and to fix me up with the woman's son, so they could get direct to me. They cancelled my plane to -- well, some- body cancelled my plane to Florida about a month ago, and that is the third time that happened to me this year while I was traveling. I'd like to say that this was a very good year compared to the previous years. And I'd like to discuss a little bit what it was like to fight Scientology alone, starting in 1968, because I was the only one who was speaking out. This is a wonderful thing that there are people dpeaking out now. But when I started, absolutely nobody else did it. And I was the only person until from 1968 until 1973.

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In 1973, Nan McLean joined, and the two of us spoke out publically. And then in 1976, Gabe Cazares joined, and there were the three of us. When I Started in 1968, there was no support from the press, there were no rallies, there were no grand juries looking into Scientology, there were no lawyers like Mike, Mr. Flynn. There was no peer acceptance about what you were doing; there was just no understand- ing that anything was wrong. It was somewhat like a social group that people were joining and it had a veneer that everything was going along well, a!though, based on the testimony you've had here, you know, these dirty tricks were going on. But if I said that they were, people thought that I was the one that was making these things up about them. I'd like to give a little background as to how'.1 got interested in the subject. I never was a Scientolo- gist.' My basic interest is as a writer; I like investi- gative things. In addition, I have a Master's Degree in Psychology, and I studied Comparative Religion at Harvard for a summer. A friend of mine, in 1968, joined Scientology and he ended up in a mental institution. I'm not saying that one caused the other, but it certainly peaked my curiosity.

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When he escaped, he.came to visit me and he told me that he was Jesus Christ. I then had

MR. BERFIELD: Re was who?

MS. COOPER: Jesus Christ. And he'd been a pretty normal person before then. I then called our mutual friend who had gotten him in and said, "He thinks he's Christ.." And my friend said, "Well, he really is." So, I thought, "Well, this bears some investigation." I went in and took their weekend course. During the time, i wandered away Z:-rom the group where they were teaching the particular, well, TRs, as they call them, and I came upon a list of people, who I don't remember for sure if it was a Fair Game Order, but I think it was, because these people were being declared enemies of man- kind. And it was very odd terminology. I remember one woman's name was on there and it declared her enemy of mankind for pushing five men down a flight of stairs. And what -- how could she do that? It just didn't ring like true. And I decided to contact some of these people when I came home. And I think I took about five names, the five top people, and every one of them had an unlisted number, disconnected phone. Well, this is 1968, and the

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people it was attracting were twenty-two, twenty-three years old. And just by chance, a whole group of people are not going to have 'Live unlisted numbers unless there's a reason for people to unlist their number. So, it began to bother me that, you know, was this so-called respectable Church perhaps harassing people? And in that one weekend, I had noted that they had lied about certain things, and I wondered about a church lying to people. And I decided to look in the library and see if I could get any information, any book. I And i discovered that all the stories had been clipped out of every single magazine pertaining to Scientology, and I wondered whether this Church was, perhaps, possibly stealing things. Well, I spent the next couple of years doing research into-Scientology. And my first article came out in December of 1969. That's also the month that I received my first death threat. And then a number of mysterious events occurred, both then and during the time within the next-year and-a-half until my book came out. I was followed on several occasions; we found a phone tap on my phone; I was being multiply sued already at that time. A number of -- oh, people kept calling me and trying to take me out, and it seemed like people were

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trying to get to me. And this went on for four unpleasant years, includ- ing four lawsuits, one of which was for somebody else's book. And when that happened, I got really annoyed. And I became the first person to sue them for haras4ment, and this was actually shocking to them because Hubbard had written that an enemy of -- that no one would ever sue Scientology, that they had too much to hide and that the people were criminals whoever attacked the Church, and, therefore, we were going to just wither away and dieJ So, they then decided - as we know later and I'm going to discuss this.later.- at that time that they were c~ut to get me and they would have to silence me because, after my book came out, I began to receive very, very disturbing calls. And the type of things that you've been hearing.-for the last few days were the type of things that people would call and tell me what' -- mysteri- ous things happening to them, that -- all kinds of very unpleasant things. And that.everybody had a sort of paranoid feeling and they were afraid to speak out; people were very afraid to speak out. And yet, when enough people who don't know each other tell you the same thing happening to them, you begin to realize that something is going on.

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Well, about October of 1972, they started a big campaign to finally silence me or attempt to stop me. The that month I received the second-of what was u-1timately to be five anonymous, absolutely, disgusting smear letters about me. This particular one called me a part-time prostitute, and you can imagine how upsetting it is to open up something like that and read it. During this same period of time, there were a large number of attempts to get into my apartment, which was on the ground floor of the building that I lived in at the time; it was not well guarded, and I was quite con- I cerned. I received a tremendous number of really dis- gusting calls, and I remember one day counting eleven calls. Remember that I work as a freelance writer. That means that if-1 get upsetting calls and I'm unhappy, it's very hard to just pick up and to write what you were working on. A lot of abusive calls then and over the years, just the sort of -- you pick up the phone and somebody says, "Oh, what are you doing?" And they'd hang up and call back, so you have to take the phone off the hook. And if you're trying to reach somebody, they can't call you back. Well, I finally decided that I was going to move to

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a higher-security apartment, even though I really could not afford to do so at the time. I moved on December 15th. on December -- the person who took over the apartment was my second cousin. We bore a physical resemblance, but -- basically, because we're about the same age and she was very petite and we both had short, brown hair at the time.

And a series of mysterious circumstances occurred. The important thing was that she opened up the door to someon e who had flowers and rang my bell. And I was no longer living there, although, my name was still on the door. And so, Eddie Walters told you about R2-45, and you've heard the policy. When Joy opened the door to get these flowers, he unwrapped the gun -- he unwrapped the flowers and there was a gun in it. And he took the gun and he put it at Joy's temple and he cocked the gun, and we don't know whether it misfired, whether it was empty.and it was a scare technique, what happened, but, somehow, the gun did not go off. And the -- he started choking her, and she was able to break away and she started to scream. And the person ran away.

And so, she called a detective and he said, "It's a very wild attack because there doesn't seem to be any motive for it." There was no attempted rape, there was

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no attempted robbery, and why should somebody just suddenly try to kill her.

The -- about a week or two later at my new apart- ment, I received a visit from the FBI. And they informed that the public relations person for Scientology had claimed that she had received a couple of bomb threats and asked -- and had named me as somebody likely to send 1~ bomb threats. So, the -- I didn't take the whole thing very seriously, and the FBI asked me if I would mind being fingerprinted. And I said that I would not, and I i was f increrorinted. At the same time my cousin Joy's boyfriend had beeni very, very upset about what happened. And he said, "Boy, you better let your Scientology spies know that you have moved and where you are because I don't want anything to happen to her-again." And I did. And shortly thereafter, in my -- to my new building, half the tenants, which is approximately three hundred tenants in the building, received a very, very disgusting anonymous smear letter about me, trying to get me kicked out of the apartment, and saying that I had venereal disease, that I would sexually molest little children. The only thing that was true in the letter was my age, which was not something I wanted known anyway. And it

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was very, very embarrassing. As I was walking through the building -- and I've heard people talking about me in 'the elevator, and I was just sort of slinking along and I was really -a month later my parents received an anonymous smear letter about me, accusing me of prac- ticing sexual perversions with their clergyman. These were not very good months. So -- and I was called ffor grand jury around this time. At least, I didn't think this was anything very serious and did not bother to retain a lawyer, had verv little money because I had used all my money to !move to this more expensive, higher-security apartment. And when I got there, they told me that I was the target of an investigation into the bomb threats. And I went and had to hire a lawyer, and every lawyer wanted -- the least we could get was five thousand-dollar retainer, which, in those years, was like paying ten thousand dollars, you know, today. And to suddenly have to pay this sum of money and find out that you're in serious trouble, and no one would -- the governrent would not tell my lawyers what the evidence was against me. They wouldn't show me the letters. Anyway, finally, I went before the grand jury, and I tried to answer every question as truthfully as I could.

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I never took the Fifth Amendment. And they kept asking me again and again, "Did you ever see this letter? Did you ever touch it? Do you know who might have?" And I said, incidentally, "Yes," that I suspected they might have sent it to themselves because we had some unpleasant confrontations in the press. And then they asked me to step outside the room. And when I came in, I knew I was in very serious trouble, and they asked me what my social security number was, whether I was on druqs, and did I realize what I had saidl I so far. And again, they asked me the same series of questions. And then they said, "Well, Miss Cooper, if you've never touched this letter before, could you tell us how your fingerprints got on it?" And I felt like a grand piano had jus-t.hit me on the head. I -- I fainted sittin up; the whole room just turned upside down and I didn't know what to do. And then, of course, the lawyers wanted more money. And on May -- let's see, May 19th, 1973, 1 was indicted on the three counts of sending bomb threats through the mail; two counts were for two letters. One was for perjury for saying before the grand jury that I hadn't done it and that I thought this publ-ic relations

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person might have done it. On May 29th, ten days later, I was arrested and I was arraigned. The next eight months were a terrible, terrible nightmare in my life that I still feel sometimes that I suffer from to this day. I had fifteen years in jail over my head and fifteen thousand dollars in fines. I was petrified about going to jail, more so, perhaps, because of my small frame and the fact that I heard that women's federal prisons were rough places. I risked having my career totally destroyed because -- and I had been success-fful. And as an a free- lance writer, what editor is ever going to give an assign-' ment to someone who's been indicted or convicted for sending bomb threats to someone they opposed? I was very concerned about the indictment and the trial coming out in the newspapers. The public does not know the difference between indict and convict, and they think that if you're on trial for something, you must have done it or where there's smoke, there's fire. I was left with the terrible public humiliation that every person I ever knew in New York would read-the details of the triAl and these accusations. I was most concerned about my parents, who had adopted me when I was six years old, and how humiliating

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it would be for them and their friends to have to explain and to go through a trial like this. During this period of time, I went through a terrible, terrible depression and a number of my friend.s, which I can't blame them for, did not stick by me. I was depressing to be with. I had been seeing a man.for five years and had intended to marry him, and he left as a result of my depression. I was released on my own recognizance, but I was not allowed to leave the state. And this made it difficult because I had friends in Connecticut and in New jersey, and it was just ali 1 could do to get away for a weekend. But it was so humili- ating to have to go to the court and ask permission to go twenty miles away that I couldn't do it. I went through a period of very, very acute anxiety. I would go to-sleep -- I couldn't fall asleep till about four in the morning and I'd wake up about six with my stomach just in my throat and worrying about what the next day would bring and what was going to happen at the initial hearing. And this went on for eight months, and I was just totally exhausted, sleeping two to four hours a day. I couldn't drag myself around anymore. All the money I had had gone to lawyers, and I went into debt to try to continue to pay for them. The -- in

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the end, just the main lawyers cost nineteen thousand dollars. I was totally unable to write during this period. I was -- the depression was very, very bad and I couldn't concentrate. I attempted to write, but it was really very bad writing. And I stopped eating because I was filled with such nausea and exhaustion. I tried to force myself to have -- I took a sixteen ounce-glass of tomato juice each day and two eggs. About half the time, I would just eat it and then go to bathroom and throw it up; I just couidn't hold food in my stomach.. Oh, a year earlier I had been operated on and a lot of the.-- I was physically ill as well during this period. Mentally, I just totally fell apart about half way through. I developed, for the first time in my life, acute agoraphobia; I couldn't leave the house. I think that this really started with this attempted murder that I felt had been intended for me. But then, you have to remember, I didn't want to walk around my building because I was hearing people talking about the lady with VD. A~fid I had been very concerned when they were going to arrest me that they were going to arrest me~in the lobby of my building and humiliate me among my neighbors

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further. So, this was the genesis of a sudden inability to go out. And some of my friends were very, very good. They would come over and try to force me to get out and get my mind off what was going on. It worked for a while. Around September/October, it didn't work anymore. One friend came over, alaxmed that I had not left the house for a week, andhe said, "You've got to walk around the bl~ock." And I remember we stepped outside about two or three steps and I just started crying and I said, "Don't 7,a"-,-- me. T can't do it; I just can't do i-." And then I went home and I stayed inside for about two more weeks. And meanwhile, during this period of time, there was a friend, a new friend, who I met under somewhat mysterious circumstances, but he was very, very helpful. And I obtained an apartment for him in my building, and he did some of the food shopping that I could not get out and do. And his name was Jerry Levin. And everybody -- the worst period of time was approkimately two weeks before the trial.. My lawyers informed me that, with a federal case, it was a ninety- five percent chance of conviction. They then gave me the good news that, for the trial, they wanted my parents to be seated in the front row and watch the entire

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proceedings. And I kept saying, "You can't do that to them. It's going to be awful enough for them to read it in the paper." And they said, "You don't understand, if you're parents don't show up, the jury doesn't realize," you know, "that this is what you want. They're just going to" -- they felt that the one circumstance that might get me acquitted was the mutually close relationship with my parents. On top of that, go ing through.some Scientology material that I had obtained, there was the name of Jerry Levin. Now, I horribly betraved, but at the same time I simply did not want to believe it. I was very naive, and his name was a very common name, especially, in a city like New York. meanwhile, we had tried every single move possible to get the trial stopped. And but I was in a very, very nervous state and it was impossible for me to be tested correctly. And we went to some doctors who said that they felt the only thing that might work would be if I would go into a state where I didn't know what was going on, meaning sodium pentothal or truth serum, because,to do that, you have to be -- you're unconscious; it's like an operation. So, the problem was we couldn't find a doctor who

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would give me a sodium pentothal t.est because, by this time, I weighed eighty-three pounds; I had started about ninety-eight. And it became very, very dangerous to go and put somebody under, as if for an operation, and do that. And I just said I didn't care if the operation -- not the operation, but if the sodium pentothal killed me because, if I had to stand trial for what I didn't do and humiliate everyone a nd go through this humiliation, that I would just as soon be dead anyway. And we finally did find a doctor two weeks before trial who gave me a sodium pentothal test. I was uncon- scious for seven hours. I don't know what I said during that. I do know that, when I came to, my mother was standing there and I said, "What happened? What did I say?" And she just said,."It's okay. It's all over. There won't be a trial." The government wanted to save face because they don't'like to admit that they've made a mistake. So, they said that they wouldn't actually they would postpone the trial, but they would not actually drop the charges at that'time. They also'ordered me to see a psychiatrist which I thought was very humiliating. The government did not drop the charges and, for two years after all this. 11 1 still had to worry on a daily

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basis whether one day there was going to Joe a trial and all of these things that I was afraid of, the prison and so on, was going to happen. The next year was 1974, and there were a number of new lawsuits against me. Oh, continued harassments, including harassments of my family and their clergyman, new spies.. By the summer, which was about seven months after the worst period of this whole thing, ! remember that one of my friends said that htat was the first time he had seen me smile in a year and-a-half. And so, I decided, in fact, that I was goina to try to get back this gentleman that I was interested in. And I threw a birthday party to have an excuse to invite him to something and I sent an invitation, and he then wrote me the most incredible letter back. And what I found out was that there was then a fifty anonymous smear letter about me, this one sent to him and his bosses, and he would never talk to me again; and he never has. In 1975J, the charges against me were finally dropped. But during this period, they started a new type of harassment. And then I began receiving things in the mail, silch as copies of -- I had kept a diary from when I was seventeen to about twenty, and there was my diary suddenly coming back to me, copies of letters that I had 4:- 3 35 sent out - or my carbon copy of it - and a psychiatrist's report that Mr. Dardano explained that he stole. In 1976, the charges were -- no, excuse me. In late 175, the charges were finally dropped. At that point some very bizarre things happened that, it wasn't until later, I would learn were part of another attempt to put me in jail. But -- for example, people were somebody was calling a number of my close friends, imi- tating my voice to a degree that was good enough that some people stopped talking to me, others called and yelled at me: why should I'have called and been so rude and so on. And I said, "I didn't call." And then I went to a writers' meeting and someone said, "Gee, how was Washington?" I said, "I haven't been to Washington in two years." They said, "You called from Washington." I didn't unde-rstand at the time why these things were being done. Also, at a I was with a group of writers and someone showed me a joke, and I realized afterwards that it appeared to be an attempt to get my fingerprints aaain. And I became very, very upset because, after all, I had a, quote, record, end quote. And I was very concerned about the possibility of more"bomb threats. In there were many, many more things that were

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done to me over the years, but this is -- I'm trying to summarize a little bit. In December of 1976, 1 became very, very tired of it all. By that time there were nine lawsuits against me. Right before I went to court, all the stuff was remailed to me that was mailed in the past, sort of a subtle blackmail: "This is what's going to happen if you don't settle." Scientology wanted me to settle quite badly. Also, they convinced me at that time that they changed and that they really were a very nice orgAniza- tion, and that,by my continued statements and stance against them and my book, I was preventing them from doing the good deeds that they wanted to do or that they were doing by bringing up the bad things all the time. And in December of '76, 1 agreed, in a sense, that -- it's easier to just say that I agreed, in a sense, not to bad mouth.them and they agreed not to bad mouth me. While they were telling me that they had changed, unbeknownst to me, there was a man named Michael Meisner and he had been a top GO operative - and they were hold- ing him'under gag and handcuff. And this man knew that I had been criminally framed and he knew about a lot of things that had been going on.

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In the summer of 1977, the FBI raided the three Scientology organizations. On October 12th, 1977, the FBI called me. Now, remember, this was' a five-year period that.I had never been able to prove my innocence; the government considered me a criminal; I had a, quote, record, end quote. And the FBI called out of the blue and said, '.'We have just received evidence that you were innocent of this those orig.inal charges." And I hung up the phone and cried and I, in fact, tried to reach that person thatwas no longer talking to me, but he had since remarried. I worked with the FBI for the next couple of years. I did learn before -- in the investigation that was going on that the murder attempt on Joy was seemingly intended for me by Scientology. I learned that they had broken -- Scientology -had broken into my New.York lawyer's office and this was one of many lawyers to break into, but that was the first one. And I learned, which was, to me, the most important thing, that they had framed me-in 1972. And -- letme skip ahead a little bit to some of the stuff that -- there were more lawsuits. Anyway, at the end of 1979, 1 f inally saw the documents that had been seized. There were twenty-three

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thousand documents. And there were documents I'm sorry, twenty-three thousand that were available to the public. And there were two documents that finally made it very clear that I had been criminally framed, and it was very important to me that, at last, I was publically able to proclaim my innocence and not worry about the -- what anybody would sa , and that I.no longer -- I always y y felt that I had to hide the fact that I had been arrested. And if I would meet someone and if they had any political ambitions, I wouldn't tell him why, but I would quickly stop seeing him for his sake. So, it was something that I was hiding, and it was affecting my life in various ways. ,We found one document that, apparently, indicated that they were considering the use of the Mafia on me, but that they decided instead to criminally frame me, so that Scientology would not look bad. we found a document that we found a number of documents that proved that this fellow who had been helping me, I thought, during the period that I was, oh, having such a bad time -- he was calling a diary into Scientology as to what I was doing, how close I was to suicide, and, you know, cheering me on, like, you know: "She can't sleep again, that she's talking suicide.. Wouldn't this be great for Scientology?"

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It's very strange from reading the diary of somebody that you think is a friend and is wishing you dead and working in your behalf towards that direction. Incidentally, this particular fellow, who's name was Jerry Levin -- they changed his name to Don Alberto, and he became one of the biggest dirty tricks operatives down in Clearwater. He also was the person that was sent to Washington and planted the bug in the IRS. We saw a document called Operation Freakout, which

Mr. Flynn started to show you before. Remember, 1 men- tioned these very bizarre phone calls, people posing as me? We think that they were trying to test my voice because, part of Operation Freakout -- Operation Freakout consisted of six different ways to try to get me jailed again, since the charges had been dropped. one of the ways was to p-all in bomb threats in a voice that would sound like mine; another was to write bomb threats very similar to the original ones but pasted on Writers' Digest stationery, so that they would come to the conclusion that -- so that the FBI would come to the conclusion that this must have been done by a writer. Operation Freakout consisted of plans to have some- body pose as me -- find out what I was-wearing, have some- one dress like me, look like me, and they would crack up

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publically and they would try to get me arrested for that person threatening to bomb various places. The other document that I saw was that a number of these lawsuits against me were being maliciously created. For example, they were bringing my book, The Scandal of Scientology, into countries where it had not even been published and they were saying'-- you know, so -- "brought the book in so we can sue." The reason for those terrible calls that I had men- tioned was that they had out my name up on walls through-~ out Manhattan and -- with my phone number, so t.hat people! would give me these calls. Operation Owl was in there. I don't know if I mentioned that Operation Freakout originated in Clear- water, even though the basis of the attack was against a New York resident, namely, me.

Mr. Flynn showed you Operation Owl, which also originated in Clearwater. Oh, a copy of my diary the one that had been mailed to me - was found in a file marked "National Council of Churches." They had hidden a lot of their -- the stu!Ef that they shouldn't have had. And there were also things that I didn't even know that they had gotten. For example, my mother once complained to me that she

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couldn't figure out why for the last few years my father kept being audited again and again, and nothing ever turned up; he's an excrutiatingly honest person. And there was an order to give an anonymous tip to the IRS that my father was evading taxes, and I don't know if that was the cause of it. But I'm saying that it was this type of thing. I also learned from the documents that they were suing me for things that were true. For example, they repeated-ly sued me for saving that Charles Manson was a Scientologist, and there were fifty to a hundred docu- ments showing how they were trying to hide the fact that Charles Manson-had studied.Scientology. There were surveillance reports. I think I had mentioned that I'd been followed at various times and was pretty sure of it. It's kind of spooky sitting there and reading, you know, "She turned up Aken Street, walked for five minutes there, stopped in the candy store." And there were reports that my friends were being harassed. There was a notation to cause trouble with this gentleman that I mentioned. There were spies' reports and taped transcripts of'telephone conversations that I had had with people.

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The -- I think I spoke to 60 Minutes when I was down here in Clearwater last, and I said then that I had been saying that these types of things had been going on and people kept saying,-"Well, what is she talking about? This is a church." And it was incredible vindication to look at these documents and see that everything I had said about Scientology since 1968 was true, and that they had turned out to be worse than anything I had said or even imagined. . Now, Scientology, at that time, had said that they had changed. And I know because Gabe -- ',Iayor Cazares mailed me the same things from-the Clearwater Sun, and I read what they told you. While they were saying that, they had learned where I was in Washington, D.C., at the Washington Hilton, and planted a bug by my bed there and, also, a bug on the telephone, during this period of time while they were making these statements in Clearwater about how they had changed. And I do not believe that they have changed, and that -- this is one of the reasonsi or the main reason, why I wanted to come here and warn you, because I have .been studying this for many years. And I have heard them say that they have changed and, gee, they don't they

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may be issuing that kind of statement after this is over; "Well, you know, there were some things that were said, but, you know, we don't do that anymore" kind of thing. And I've heard before - even before I started researching Scientology - they were saying this. For example, in 1965, there was something called the Austral- ian Inquiry, a Commission to look into Scientology. Any- way, after studying Scientology, the Commission came to the conclusion that Scientology quote: "Scientology 4S evil, its techniques evil. practice is a serious zhreat medically, morally, and socialiy. its adherence often establishes it with the mentally-ill." And at that time Scientology issued a statement that, of course, they had changed. in 1968, 1 believe, with the Foster Report, when the English held an inquiry to look into Scientology, and Scientology issued a statement that Fair Game had been cancelled, that the Disconnect Policy had been cancelled, and that everything had changed. In 1975, they had World Prayer Day, and the press all believed at that time that they had changed. In December of 1976, when I settled with them, I believed they had changed. In 1977, when the FBI raided them, they said that they had changed. In '79, when statements came

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out about what was in the documents, and in 1980, again, they were telling people that they had changed. And my final point is that I believe that they haven't changed.. I believe that their basic policy, ever since the policy was first written, has been the Fair Game Policy. The policy is to trick people; the policy is to sue people; the policy is to lie to people and to destroy them. And Icertainly know from a per- sonal standpoint. A nd I've only briefly told you some of t4h,e things that they've done to me, so t1hat you're not dece-J,.-ed by their true nature. I'~,-e been study4ng'them for fourteen years and, unfortunately, I've been a victim of this cult for fourteen years. And I believe tha t Scientology has never changed, will never change, and will keep issuing statements to people saying that they've changed.

MR. LeCHER: Thank you for your

MR. FLYNN: If I could just make one point of information for the Commission that I believe is sig- nificant: The most relevant portion of Miss Cooper's testimony is the fact that for years she suffered from. harassm1ent and framing, which was -- has been proved by some of the documents already in evidence, to which she's testified, and the documents that we put in-evidence

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before this Commission. The final area for this Commission to examine is that of deception on all of the items that I mentioned earlier: deception of confidential auditing information,

Mr. Hubbard's background, the goals, policies, purposes, and practices of the organization to the thousands of people that are coming here to Clearwater and paying millions of dollars. Miss CooDer's evidence viv-4dl7 describes the policy of the Church to util'Lze the "Fair Game Policy, of which mo s C h ur c1- 7, -rib e r s w',-, o a r e-- ~p a n g ions o-- dol. i lars do not know. And that policy has been described, ~.rom 1968, in her testimony right up to the present time. And the Commission will be able to derive whatever inferences are appropriate from her testimony with regard to the practice and deception regarding the goals and purposes and operations of the Church of Scientology in this city.

MR. LeCHER: I'd like to say: Thank you for your story and thank you for the evidence that relates specifically to Clearwater. I have at various times talked to members of the Church of Scientology who have told me that they've changed, too, as recently as Hebert Jentz a few months

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ago, who said. that they had changed. And I thank you for telling us your story. I don't -- every story today seems to get more incredible as the-people come on. And I don't know how you could survive what you have survived, and I think that you must be one hell of a woman. I -- I really have no questions. I don't know 1,cw you even -- you can trust anybody anymore: a man that you might meet that he is one of them and trying to get you again. That must prey on your mind. And what with even with just day-to-day contact with business associ- ates and females and family members. So, I don't want to put you through any more of your story. You've relived it, an aberration for these many years.__ And I will then refer to my colleagues, and I hope-that they will also be sensitive to that fact and also be brief. Who do I start with?

MR. BERFIELD: I have -- I have just one question, and it's not so related to what happened to you there. But you said you've spent fifteen years in studying Scientology?

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MS. COOPER: Wellf I started researching in 1968; it's fourteen years.

MR. BERFIELD: In this'study.--

MS. COOPER: Yeah.

MR. BERFIELD: without any reference to religion

MS. COOPER: Mm-mm.

MR. BERFIELD: -- and going back, have you found out where they picked vp these deceptive ideas from or whose -- were they L. Ron Hubbard's or did he get them Z ~_rom somebody else or what?

MS. COOPER: Well, when I researched the book, I went through a tremendous number of early policy 'Letters by Hubbard, things that he wrote about in the early 19501s, even when it was Dianetics. And the fraud was just started way back; Hubbard excelled in it. He was con- stantly lying to his people. You find that, you know, that one thing just totally negated another. And I think the deception and the lies all stem from Mr. Hubbard.

MR. BERFIELD: Thank you.

MR. LeCHER: Okay. Does anyone have any questions? Thank you very much.

MR. FLYNN: At this point I'd like to show on the

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easel a document ---! all right. We'll put.in'to evidence the outline of the organization. And if Mr. Walters could come forward - he-'s still under oath - to simply explain-to the Commission what the outline of the organ,i- zation is and precisely where, at this point, for instance, Mitchell Hermann would fit in with regard to Flag. MR.. LeCHER: What is that chart, again, that you have, Mr. Flynn or Mr. Walters? What are you showing us? EDWARD WALTERS, a_witness herein, having previously been duly sworn by a Clerk for the City of Clearwater,'was examined and testified as follows:

MR. WALTERS: Right here is the organization, the top of the-organization for the Guardian's Office.

MR. LeCHER: Why don't you go over it with your pointer.

MR. WALTERS: All right. It starts at the top with L. Ron Hubbard; he's listed as Commodore and Founder. Below him is the CSGs, Commodore' s Staff Guardians, CF 6, there are seven divi- sions: that's Mary Sue Hubbard, by the way. Now, I'll go down this way, first. Right below her is Guardian Worldwide, which is England, Jane Kember.

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She has been the Guardian for -- since the inception. It's a lifetime appointment, which is interesting, becaus she just got sentenced and she's in jail.

MR. CALDERBANK: Do they still have these posts?

MR. WALTERS: Yes, they do. And your headquarters now is in Clearwater.

MR. CALDERBANK: So, convicted felons are serving on an administrative hierarchy chart?

MR. WALTERS: No. These eleven that got indicted

MR. CALDERBANK: Convicted?

MR. WALTERS: -- convicted were in Scientology until they were put in jail. People who have been trained by them have replaced them and are here in Clearwater. All right. Below Jane Kember is your divisions for Worldwide Divisions. Information, which is really intelliqence,-.is Mo Budlong. He's the name you saw in a lot of those documents. Anything done in Clearwater - and you'll see correspondence, the FBI has it, I've seen it - is in correspondence between Mo Budlong and Clear- water concerning operations. David Gaiman, Legal, just what it says; Finance is Herbie P arkhouse. This man here probably knows more about the financial structure of Scientology. You will not see him on the RPF.

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Now -- it should be David Gaiman; is says Sheila Gaiman. Social Coordination is David Gaiman's wife. David was -- oh, you've got David over here for PR. David handled all Public Relations Worldwide, and his wife handled the Social Coordinations. And these divisions, by the way, are the same throughout the world, throughout the United States. For example, in Las Vegas,, information was Chuck Reese; I told you about it. Oh, okay. But I just want to make a point

MR. FLYNN: Kevin, put that back up.

MR. WALTERS: -- that this organization you see here is the same everywhere; the structure is exactly the same:. L. Ron Hubbard's here, Mary Sue, it goes down. And then in your orgs. you have the exact same positions. So-, to famil-iarize you with Clearwater, so you can under- stand your Clearwater operation, in Clearwater, you will have a Director of information, you'll have a Director of PR, which, I believe, is -- no, I think he's out.

MR. CALDERBANK: Will you give us also --

MR. LeCHER: I heard he's doing missionary work. MA. WALTERS: Yes. I'll tell you who's here~

MR. FLYNN: I think it's

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MR. WALTERS: Wilhere.

MR. FLYNN: -- Wilhere.

MR. WALTERS: Yeah, Wilhere.

MR. CALDERBANK: Okay. Will you connect those people with testimony that we've had before, such as Director of Information -- he was the person

MR. WALTERS: All right. Director of Information is involl,,ed in all the codif"ied and overt intelligence oce--ations for collecti-a! information on enemies of the Church. So, in Clearwat--_~_-, I would say, and I say it under oath, that the Director of Information in Clearwater has the files on all of you people. The Director of Public Relations is here in Clear- water; you have a Legal Bureau here in Clearwater; you have Finance here in Clearwdter; you'll also have Social Coordination: that directs WISE, Narcanon, et cetera. They will not tell you it's run by the Guardian's Office, but I'll guarantee you it is. All right. Going back to the Worldwide organiza- tion, below them you have your Deputy Guardians. Deputy Guardian in the US, that was in Los Angeles; it was Henning Heldt. He was indicted and is in jail at the

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moment. Below him was Duke Snider; he was his assistant. Then, again, you have Information/Intelligence

MR. LeCHER: Not the baseball player?

MR. WALTERS: No, no, no, no. This is.another Duke Snider. Information in the United States; then you have PR for'the United States,.which was Artie Maren, who, when I was in, used to be sent here to handle quite a f ew things. Legal, Mary Rezzonico; Finance Mary Heldt, which is-the wife of Henning Heldt. You'll notice that it's a very close-knit organiza- tion. Director of Social Coordination is a good friend of mine, Laurie Zurin, who, I will say - it should get her in a lot of trouble - she's going to be out and appearing some day.

MR. SHOEMAKER: Mr. Walters MR.. WALTERS: She's a good girl.

MR. SHOEMAKER: Mr. Walters --

MR. WALTERS: Yes.

MR. SHOEMAKER:. -- the -- just for clarification, now, the top.row that you went through there, which was the Worldwide

MR. WALTERS: . Right.

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MR. SHOEMAKER: -- Guardian's --

MR. WALTERS: That's in England.

MR. SHOEMAKER: -- Office, that's in Clearwater?

MR. WALTERS: No. That -- this -- the one I'm showing you is England.

MR. SHOEMAKER: Is in England.

MR. WALTERS: In England. The Worldwide is officially at East Grinstead, England.*

MR. SHOEMAKER: Okay. Now

MR. WALTERS: But here's the thing: You see,this man up here runs the operation.

MR. SHOEMAKER: Right.

MR. WALTERS: All right. An intelligence agent can't do anything unless it runs through the thing to L. Ron Hubbard. So, the real base of operations is where he is, and the connection to him is through Clearwater.

MR. SHOEMAKER: Now, that's located in England. Now, the United States section that you just went through, is that still in Los Angeles now?

MR. WALTERS: Information is in Los Angeles; US is still -- Artie's in Los Angeles; Mary's in Los Angeles;

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Heldt is in Los Angeles; Laurie Zurin is still in Los Angeles. But that's that is an organization point of view; the operations are still run out of Clearwater --

MR. SHOEMAKER: Right.

MR. WALTERS: -- as the senior Flag of all of them. As you know, the guy up here -- these,people are all in England, the United States. This man cannot be found. So, there are operatives that work through him wherever he is is where they run. And my best know- ledge is that the operation is from Clearwater directly to him, because I can give you a bit of information -- is it okay to say it?

MR. FLYNN: You're -- yeah, you're under oath.

MR. WALTERS: All right. I don't know -- they have just --.this is what I hear from insiders. Insiders tell me Mr. Hubbard is very harsh.when things do not go right. Apparently, the Guardian's Office was supposed to stop you'people from this trial -- these hearings. They did not stop you. A lot of them have just been sacked. He has brought in his young crew of CMO, Commodore Messengers Org. These are all the young kids that have been trained by him since they're thirteen years old. They are now going to put

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Ethics in on Clearwater.

MR. BERFIELD: Question: is this the same group that one.of the witnesses the other day' referred to as almost in terms of the Gestapo?.

MR. WALTERS: That's right. These young kids are starey-eyed, devoted to Hubbard, and.mayors and people like you will not scare th em.

MR. CALDERBANK: Another witness already mentioned that these CM0 people have had so little contact with the outside world, they don't recognize governmental agencies or polic-'Les or laws. And these people, according to hearsay, now are in charge of the entire operation. Can you comment to that?

MR. WALTERS: Yeah. I know some of them; they started on the ship. They've had no outside schooling at all. They know these policies inside out; they can quote them verbatim. They've been trained by Hubbard. They are tough little cookies, I'll tell you.

MR. LeCHER: What does Ethics mean on Clearwater?

MR. WALTERS: Ethics means that, apparently, there are attacks -- they look at this open hearing as an

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open attack, and Ethics will be to come and clean this UP.

MR. LeCHER: Explain this a little better,."clean this up."

MR. WALTERS: Well, that means that I'll tell you exactly what

MR. LeCHER: What will happen? MR, WALTERS: All right. This is what'll happen: This division over here will go through all the files that they have, covert and overt on you, and find out what they can use. This division will start a campaign written up to make it look like a beautiful church. This division will sue all of you individually, collectively, and probably the City of Clearwater.

MR. LeCHER:- They've done that already.

MRS. GARVEY: They've already done that.

MR. WALTERS: They have?

MRS. GARVEY: Yes.

MR. WALTERS: The Finance Bureau will have to do whatever they can to make sure the records are safe. The Social Coordination Bureau will have to set up things that show that Narcanon, et cetera, are not part of Scientology.

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MR. CALDERBANK: You mean, Sammy the Seagull, Gerus Society, Narcanon will be on call to help the publicity throughout Clearwater?

MR. WALTERS: Yes.

MR. CALDERBANK: The PR will

MR. WALTERS: It will be a massive campaign set here.

MR. CALDERBANK: It's in operation

MR. WALTERS: Oh, it's in operation already? Now, if you want to know what -- I know that some of this stuff sounds like I'm -Lrying-to make up-things, you know. Here is an actual document marked "Secret," con- cerning Clearwater. It's an operation done by Deputy Deputy Deputy Guardian US. It says here that "Duke" Duke Snider,-you saw his name on the other board - "you asked for a chart for enemy lines used up to this point for,Clearwater attack after research of the files was done." This is the files they have on you people. "Attach this chart;' it looks complete to me. From this, I see the areas of priority to infiltrate are" --

MRS. GARVEY: The Saint Petersburg Times.

MR. WALTERS: -- "Saint Petersburg Times, Mayor" --

MR. CALDERBANK: 'Gabe Cazares.

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MR. WALTERS: -- "Channel 13 TV, Bruce Snyder" -- is there a Snyder here?

MRS., GARVEY:. He's a radio --

MR. LeCHER:' He's a radio personality.

MR. WALTERS: Has he been handled? Is he still around?

MRS. GARVEY: No.

MR. WALTERS: "Florida Attorney General's Office, Florida State'Attorney General Russell. "As things have been quite hectic with the first few days, I wanted to send you this to go over. Any change or additions you want to add would be okay." I would suggest they've probably added quite a few now.

MR. FLYNN: For the record, that this exhibit on the easel is_part of one of the hundreds of documents in an exhibit which will be entitled "Scientology Operations in Clearwater," of which we have made a copy for each of the Commissioners.. And that's just one of the documents. That's not Operation Normandy to which I referred. That's just a piece of correspondence about a particular operation. Operation Normandy, which you'll see right at the front of your exhibit, lays out all the areas of infiltration.

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. . This particular -- at this particular time and.date,. they put that down as a priority.

MRS. GARVEY:. This is dated 1976.

MR. FLYNN: That's correct.

MR. BERFIELD: I have one more question

MR. WALTERS: Yes, sir.

MR. BERFIELD:. -.-- it'll be a loaded one.. In your opinion, if this new guard comes in, how woul.d you define them?

MR. WALTERS: As young, tough, highly trained, elite, totallv dedicated to Scientology.

MR. BERFIELD: Rational?

MR. WALTERS: Well, not not rational or sane in our sense. But do not underestimate their cleverness and dedication to duty.

MR. CALDERBANK: Mr. Walters, we've heard evidence that shows that policy is still being adhered to. Is that what leads you to believe that this type of thing is happening in the city today?

MR. WALTERS: Oh, yes. You see, one of the key words for me And a tech person is "prediction." See, the Guardian's Office gives prediction to an area. You must know what your enemy is going to do. By keeping files on you people and on the

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city, they can predict what you're going to do. In fact, the whole Guardian' s Office Information is -- that's their goal; it's called pred . iction. And if you fellows ever do, anything that they did not expect, that Hubbard gets surprised at, then, most of the fellows here get their heads slapped.

MR. LeCHER: Are you saying that local government is in danger?

MR. WALTERS: To Scientology? Of course it is.

MR. LeCHER: Because -- yeah

MR. WALTERS: Yes.

MR. LeCHER: -- we are in danger?

MR. WALTERS: Yes.

MR. LeCHER: To whatever the young and elite may do?

MR. WALTERS: I would not be surprised if you have some new secretaries coming in looking for jobs or have had in the past.. Because Hubbard is not fooling around.

MR. LeCHER: Okay-

MR. FLYNN: Why don't you just describe what where Hermann's position is. Where is it?

MR. WALTERS: Oh, okay. All right, Mitch Hermann here -- you're familiar with him; he's had a lot to do with Clearwater things. He's in the Guardian's Office, handling the Southeastern

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Section. I see there's an assistant --

MRS. GARVEY: That's Mike Cooper that --

MR. WALTERS: Yeah. Anyway, this shows he's directly on the Intelli- gence/Information line, and he's well known. I mean, there's no doubt who he is to anybody that's in Scien- tology.

MR. LeCHER: Okay. We have another witness. Ladies and gentlemen, we have two more witnesses.

MR. FLYINN: What I think I'll do at this time I don't know what the Commission -- how late the Commis- sion intends to go. There are some documents that I think need to be shown in order to put some of the issues of -- or one of the issues in-perspective, which kind of translates into a lot of the other issues in front of the Commission. It's particularly important because of the fact that there are auditing files of thousands of individuals sitting over in the Fort Harrison. All of the people that came here to this city thought that they would be confidential, and, as you know, one of the fundamental issues before the Commission is that one particular consideraCtion. So, I'm going to put into evidence*at this point

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some of the -- just a few of the documents that were seized,by the FBI with regard to auditing information. And I again caution you that this is simply a sampling. Very. quickly this is a project that the entire exhibit will show regarding -- Mary Sue Hubbard, regard- ing the using of the files. as operating targets: "To make use of all.files in the organization to effect a major target. These include the personnel files, Ethics files, dead files, central files, training files, pro- cessing files, requests for refunds." It's simply one of their programs with regard to one of the files to give you an idea of the program. This is -- you'll note the date 27 September 176; this pertains to one individual who they were checking out for whatever reason. "Donna-Is auditing files start in July 1963 at Saint Hill, United Kingdom, where she was on the" -- some type of briefing course, Mr. Walters would know. "She was being run on GR 6 processing at that time. During this auditing, she worked with rock slam" --RS means rock slam, which, basically, means to substantially fail a security check, where the needle on the Meter slams against the side, which means you've got a very serious withhold or a very serious condition that has to be looked

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into - "on Jane Kember, LRH, Herbie Parkhouse, and Fred Hare." What that means is she was asked questions and security checked about Kember, Hubbard, Parkhouse, and Hare. And it immediately became very significant because she rock slammed on that particular part of the security check.

Donna has been in Scientology since at least 1952; she attended the Doctor's course in Philadelphia.at that time.' While at the PDC, she was promiscuous; she slept with four or five men during the course, two of them on the org. premises. She has quite a record of promiscuity in these early years. With three male-PCs, she let them touch her genitals during sessions because they got into sexingness. She has masturbated regularly since she was eight years old. Mentions doing it with coffee grounds, doesn't say how, and once had a puppy lick her." As you can see, the whole thing goes through. And it's just to give you an indication of the type of infor- mation that's being used and

MR. GREENE: Read number three, Mike.

MR. FLYNN: And in three, you'll see an "Enemy Formula Writeup" done at ASHO, that's th-e American Saint Hill Organization. "She mentions leaving her husband, Mo, in May 1952, but she does not give his last name.

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There is no mention of it in our files. She was also married to Bill Fisk, who was shot while she was on the" - that briefing course - "at Saint Hill. Bill had been sleeping with Phoebe Hjelm and Helaine Grimes, now Simmons, before he got shot for sleeping with a student at Seattle Org- Donna had agreed that he could sleep around while she was away. Donna denied him sex even when she was with him and would masturbate to satisfy herself." Yeah, there's~ another indication there that they were also using the Ethics files. And you'll note the date, 27th September '76, when the Church was in this city and Mr. -- Mayor Cazares,was trying to find out who they were. There is a succession of these documents; there are hundreds of them. That's an example. We'll put a num- ber of them into evidence, but it will give you an idea.

MRS. GARVEY: is it all the same flavor in all of them?

MR. FLYNN: They're all basically the same flavor; some have crimes, some have sex, some have drugs, some involve' specific operations to blackmail: how they're going to do it, extort, some of them are against news people, some of them are against news reporters who tried

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to conduct investigations that worked where the news reporters dropped their investigations; the Scientology investigations disclosed extramarital affairs, whatever.

MR. LeCHER: All right. You have told that they may you or Mr. Walters. wonder about the newsmen tha'6" are 'covering this event. Do you think they should take special care them- selves?

MR. FLYNN: I would say.that, you know, L--hey're on, as Mr. Walte-rs would describe, they'--e on the PR end, and, 7_.-.ey've Just been getting hil"-- with heavy PR day in and J day out. Probably, for the last three or four.months, every other hour, someone has been going down to the Clearwater Sun and the Saint Pete Times, Clearwater Station, and just hitting the reporters constantly with PR. They sezvt out that booklet in Clearwater, "The Way to Happiness," you know, the

MRS. GARVEY: He meant from the other side, the harassment side.

MR. LeCHER: I mean harassment. We may all be able to indicate a few things that we suspect, but I wonder about the reporters, they may have to be on their guard, too. MR.-FLYNN: It depends whether they're cooperating

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or no t.

MR. CALDERBANK: Dianetics

MR. FLYNN: If they still pose a threat,. then, they would.,go, as Mr. Walters and as many witnesses have testified, they go to the next level of operation. If they still pose a threat, they go to the next level of operation.

MR. CALDERBANK: Mr. Flynn, how would you charac- terize, say Austin, Texas was mentioned by Mr. Mayer. And there is an article in one of the newspapers today about Austin, Texas having a -- what is it

MR. FLYNN: Proclamation.

MR. CALDERBANK: -- Proclamation, proclaiming how great Dianetics was. Now, this appeared in the paper. Is this an example of reporters and the heavy PR that they are,fed day in and day out? How can something like that occur?

MR. FLYNN: You can draw your own inferences from the evidence based on policy. The -- it.significantly appeared next to the'Clearwater -- the article about Scientology in today's paper. You can draw your own significant -- your own inferences from the evidence that you've heard to this point.

MR. LeCHER: I believe I owe their mayor a letter.

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MR. FLYNN: Jack Clark, please. I say Jack Clark because I've come to know him; it's Dr. John Clark, and he's one of the -- well, I won't state his credentials.

MR. LeCHER: Dr. Clark, will you be sworn in, please. JOHN G. CLARK, M.D. , a witness herein, having first been duly sworn by a Clerk for the Citv of Clearwater, was examined and testified as follows:

MR. LeCHER: i must also ask --cu the same *f standard questions, sir. Are you appearing here today and testifying under oath voluntarily?

DR. CLARK: Yes. Yes, I am.

MR. LeCHER: Have you been paid by anyone for your testimony, other than expenses for coming to Clearwater?

DR. CLARK: No.

MR. LeCHER: Do you have a lawsuit against the Church of Scientology?

DR. CLARK: No.

MR. LeCHER: Do they have a lawsuit against you?

DR. CLARK: Yes.

MR. LeCHER: They do.

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Has anyone suggested to you that you should state anything but the truth or has anyone suggested that you change your testimony for any reason?

DR. CLARK: No.

MR. LeCHER: Thank you.

Mr. Flynn, do you-want to present your witness? or Dr. Clark -- how you would like to proceed.

MR. FLYNN: The purpose of this testimony is basically in the line of expert testimony, because there are mental health conditions involved in this city.* There are mental health issues that have been presented bef ore the Board. In addition to that, there's a level of harassment.. which goes to some of the policy considerations I men- tioned earlier, that Dr. Clark has been subjected to. But his basic testimony is of an expert nature with regard to some of these mental health issues.

MR. LeCHER: Since you are an expert witness, state your qualifications.

DR. CLARK: My name is John G. Clark, Jr., M_.D. I have been an M.D. from 1953, at the time that I graduated from Harvard Medical School. I have been trained in psychiatry in the Boston area in the Massachusetts General Hospital and McLean Hospital in Belmont,

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Massachusetts, also a part of the Massachusetts General Hospital. I have worked on the staff - I want to say on staff - on the staffs of these two hospitals, as well as another organization in the same area. I am now in private practice since 1973. My work has been very, very wide, mostl~ clinical and having to do with people from adolescence on up, as well as community work in various places around the Boston, area. nterest in Scientology came along at -.Y the same time as may interest in rapid conversions and the pro- cesses that led up to those conversions. This is not a well-known area in the psychiatric world.

MR. LeCHER: Explain "rapid conversions."

DR. CLARK: Rapid conversion tends to be a massive change of per-sonality, of belief systems over a very short time, brought about by usually deceptive practices of the-people who want to get these people. There are also very many other kinds of conversions which are expected, useful, sometimes related to real illness, such as tem- poral lobe epilepsy, for instance. It's a very, very interesting area. I showed my interest two years after I began to do some studying. I studied as a result of being asked by a

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fellow physician for help; he had problems with his son, who was a disturbed young man, who had gotten himself involved in the Hare Krishna doctrine cult. Two years laterf approximately, I had begun to believe these astounding things that I was hearing about and actually seeing. It was very hard to believe. In other words, I did not go into this study clearly knowing what I wanted to-hear. I then spoke - gave testimony - to the Special a group, the Special Committee of the Senate of the Vermont Legislature in '76. And from that time the pan has been in the fire because I did mention, among a few other people, the Church of Scientology. I found out much later, just very recently, that they had been worried about me before I even got to that particular place to sp~k my words. From that point on there has been an unrelenting kind-of harassment, whatever they wish to try to do to me to try to get me out of this business. They seem to be very, very frightened of somebody legitimate, as a Harvard professor, who could possibly talk in a negative way about their group. I might say in this regard that I am not interested in religion itself; I'm interested.in the behavior of.

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groups and the relationship of those behaviors to what I would consider to be harmful results, and especially thr ough the process of conversion. And I will not have time to give you the entire view of that. I would like to first show you how hard it is for any kind of a professional to look into this area. This is very much like an anthropologist who decides that he must go up to see the river in New Guinea in order to look into the mating processes of the -- of some of the natives uD there who are still eating one another to a degree. Now, i don't mean to out down their culture; their culture in some ways is just as valid as ours. But the people who.come in from the outside are not necessari ly going to be treated all that well. And it was my interest of looking into the cultures of these groups to find out what-had happened to the individuals who had been taken into them and why had they changed so much and why had they become so mean. Now, if I can give you a brief listing of what has happened: In my writing, I have put down some of the attacks on me. In 177, the -- I got my first letter from them, telling me that I had said the wrong things in the Vermont legislative -- the hearing and I'd better stop it. I got a series of calls, which I pretty much ignored.

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They, also,.quite simultaneously, wrote a whole series of letters to the Deans at Harvard Medical School and the head of the Massachusetts General Hospital. In '78, three of my patients were investigated enough so that their places of work and their places of living were known to Scientologists, who then called them and asked them about my behavior in'treating them. To.a doctor, that is extremely bad business, just terrible. Shortly after that, in about '78, 1 was called a Communist because of their interest in my daughter and my having gone to Russia to visit. And they put that into some very interesting fiction which they had put together from all of their investigations of my neighbors and friends, which they then presented to the legislative committee that was beg-inning-to look-into some matters of other cults. They also tried twice to keep me out of England by sending a very strong protest to the proper authorities in England, looking into the matters on Ron Hubbard. In 1979, 1 and a number of others were picketed by the Scientologists twice, once in Pennsylvania at a meeting'we were having, talking about cults, and one at the then IMH where we were having the only meeting on the cults that the government has been able to put-

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together so f ar. In 1978, they lodged a complaint to the Board of Registration of Medicine. This is the Board that gives us our right to practice medicine, and that's in Massa- chusetts. This had to do with my behavior in court on a case that had to do with the original family that brought me into this, quote, business in the first place. That particular problem with the Board of Registration stretched on for a very long time. By 1979, they were in Montreal. passing out f1yers at the place where I was giving my 'Lectures at McGil-L. This time thev were calling me a Nazi. In 1980, they were sending an article to all kinds of people very high up in my profession, purporting to be something rather favorable to me, except that it was about ECT, el-ectroshock treatment, and it had some material in it that claimed to be direct.quotes from me saying that deprogramming could be brought about by the use of electroshock treatment. Fortunately, I have friends who called me up and said, "What's this all about?" But I'm still quite sure that some people think that I'm advocating ECT. They began to blow hard in various ways toward me in their magazine or their Freedom paper. And we have one

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copy of the most recent ones, 178 to 181. They call me a Nazi and one of the leaders of the ARM, as they call it in their own internal'records, and that's the Anti-' Religious Movement. Severa.1 people approached my professor, one a college student who was looking for information and just happened to mention me in some way that was really quite derogatory, a patient who tried to get into my office and talk to me, somebody on one of the television shows from the Citizens' Commission on Human Rights talked about my use of drugs and ECT and my terrible attitude toward these people.* Another -- in about 180, another student wanted to study deprogramming, and it was quite clear, when we checked up, that was certainly not what she was interested in. It goes on and on and on. In 1981, another complaint was lodged at the Board of Registration, and in this attempt -- a second one was also lodged, a third one now lodged against me, both of them very, very clear -- one from a Scientologist and the other one, again, purportedly from a Moonie; however, it had all the earmarks of the Scientology capacity to mischief. By the way, all of these complaints have been dis- missed. The first one was dismissed with a little bit of

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nastiness on the part of the Board, who could not -- which could not understand what was going on. The last two, which recently came to me, are clear, clear releases from any obligation at all. This past year from last July, there has been a fire storm of attacks. There's almost something once or twice every week coming. Because I haven't answered to them, they can't do some of the things they did to Paulette. But they did a few other interesting things, such as picketing the Mass. General Hospital and passing out some very interesting leaflets, offering a twentv- 'L~41.ve thousand doiiar-raward, for instance, for informa- tion leading to my conviction. This was done several months. They approached every newspaper, every TV out- let

MR. CALDERBANK: They wanted

MR. LeCHER: They only offered four thousand nine hundred fifty for ours.

DR. CLARK: Well, that's beginning to make me think that I'm bigger than I really thought I was. I was thinking, as I was listening to everybody here, "I'm a pretty small' potato." These are all -- it even goes on further. They also informed me, in the midst of all of this, of the kangaroo

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court Ethics trial last fall, and they had guess you could probably believe that they convicted me. They offered me the possibility of some kind of release if I would just admit that I was wrong. And so it goes on and on and on. And it's obvious that this organization does not want to be criticized, and the.way of handling criticism is the ad hominem attack, which is what we've been talk- ing about all along. It is very, very unlikely that they will really argue on the basis of the facts or of the allegations against them. They will simply try to do what they have done before, that is, to make life too painful for anybody to go-on with this kind of attack, which they are launching on me. They consider me someone with some sort of animus against--them,-of course, that they will try to prove in these various cases against me. As a matter of fact, they,make their own enemies, obsessively make their own enemies. They try very hard not to let anybody know that, but anybody who even begins to look into this and speaks out at all is going to find that the enemy situa- tion has once again arisen. I would like now to talk a little bit about what happens from a clinical view. I'm really not all that

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happy just to talk about my own predicament, the degra- dations against me. I'm surviving'them and -- but I think they are somehow illustrative of --

MRS. GARVEY: We know what we're going to have to go through.

DR. CLARK: You might as well face up to it, you're becoming heroes whether you like it or not. We'll talk about suggestions for them maybe later. What happens, and in ge, neral, what happens to the people who go into Scientology? Why do they change so much? How does it happen? What is there about the haman mind that most of us do not want to know that does it make it possible for one of our children, who has been thoroughly healthy in every way, to be caught up in one of the groups and, suddenly or over a few months, are simply lost -to the parents and to the community? The change in these people tends to be very, very large'. The parents who have said to me that "My two older kids got into drugs, sex, and they led me on a merry chase. But I knew,that was just sort of added on, applied to them.- And my younger daughter, who was the nice one, behaving herself, went into the Divine Light Mission. The change was integral." This is also true of the changes of people who go into the Church of

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Scientology. In fact, in some ways it -- the changes are even more.complete. It's no.wonder, for instance, that they tend not to like to have people in and amongst them whose parents and family do not agree with their choice, if you want to call it choice; they're PTSs, and often they do not allow them to stay in. It's much easier to bring about these changes and have it not noted - or them not note it - if the ioarents-don't -- either don't give a damn or they sort of like the quiet, controlled people that have now stopped taking drugs and are very, very busy doing what they're supposed to do. But, in fact, the human mind is capable of an enormous amount of change in a short time. It can, as I said, happen from natural forces. it's quite commonly seen in temporal lobe epilepsy, and sometimes - I should also mention just for your imaginations to work on - that the people with temporal lobe epilepsy are also charac- terized by their absolute need to write, constantly write: turn out poetry and they just write in a des- criptive manner. I'm not suggesting that anybody we have talked dbout might have this. It's very. clear that at some point these people who also go through various. kinds of conversions do have

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that those who go through conversions naturally do have real changes in their brain structure. But you don't have to have that. *You can be an ordinary kid who's just going through a bad time, and that's why the late ado- lescents are the best marketplace for cults, in general. The process is quite fairly simple to bring them in. First, get their attention, entice them into some- place where they can then be bombarded with information; it's a closed system where all the information is con- trolled and where the seduction can be set.up. Over a period of time - and it can be very short from minutes to two weeks - the attention ot" the individuai is very care- fully narrowed, just narrowed. These various processes that are used in Scientology, for instance, are attention- narrowing processes. It requires the individual to attend to on-1-y the task for a very, very long time. There is in this a great relationship to formal hypnosis; in fact, exactly the same is just done to them. And the object is to push the mind, the attention, to a narrower and narrower state until something kind of breaks. It's a system the mind is a system that is highly flexible. But with any flexible . system, there is a limit of elasticity. If you push it hard enough, you'll crack, snap, whatever you want to call it. Any one of us,

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under certain circumstances of very high pressure, might find themselves cracking one way or another. Then, if the person who has brought about this cracking, this changing, this snapping, this trance state, can manage that state for a time, can manage it and keep it under control - in other words, the person's old mind has been taken down under this heavy pressure, a kind of emergency - if they can keep it under control long enough, the individual must then identify with those people who are managing the whole system; they identify with everything.' They begin to take in information: the rules, the language, everything. It's like falling in*love. it's the same process, except that it's managed differently. That's why this is so mundane in one respect: There's nothing about this that is really, really spooky. But if this management is done Just the right way by very intense processes and by people who signal their intent to control - which, again, applies to this matter today - the individual, as I said, becomes almost as all those other people. The only way,to survive, for the mind to survive, is to become as much like the per- sons who have begun to hold you as hostage as possible. There has been a lot written about the Stockholm

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effect in hostage taking, where the people who are with the hostage for a long time in a very ambiguous state, not knowing whether or not they're going to be killed or tortured or something -- they're -- these people some- times fall in love with the person who has held them hostage. Again, go back to the fact that most of this is normal but it is manipulated. It must be remembered that in almost all -- in fact, ri--ally in all o-f those organizations which are most dangerous, nobody is told in advance what is going to _'-.aDoen. There is no argument about the virtues of the organization - and iL--'s interesting - until After the change of the mind or conversion. It's a snapping, it's whatever you want, a leap into another world. Now, this means that these people who have gone that far are--now in a different state of mind, essential- ly, a separate personality; it's a dual personality. The first'personality is put on hold. Again, it sounds like science fiction, but it can be done and it can be replicated; it's been done in -- by hypnosis. And it has to be managed by more and more and more processes, so that the whole thing just sort of gels and people just can't get out of it; they cannot get out of it. .But it's made easier for them to stay in if they are

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kept with their own people, so they don't have a chance to sort of talk -- talk it out with people completely outside. And this is what happens. Now, in this state, these various kinds of cults become the most dangerous of all people, that is, they take on as a mass the we/they psychology. That is, "We exist and we're real; they" - they're all of you - "you don't understand us." And because they're so focused and cannot remember any of the tenderness of their earlier times toward parents or friends or others, they are extremely intolerant, extremely intolerant. They are behavior paranoia in their simplicity of thinking and are easily pushed -- well, they're totally pushed around-by the leaders. This means that within two weeks individuals who have first come into the Moonies have signed checks for a hundred and fifty thousand dollars to go to the Moonies. You,see, it isn't just the Church of Scientology that can get a lot of money out of people in a hurry. The -- in these groups, almost in almost every case - it's almost a real rule the people who run them are living still; they're the living leaders who are charismatic individuals who have found out how to manipu- late other people's minds. It's very hard for most cults

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to continue to go on; probably, 99.9 percent of them die within one generation for very good reasons, often because the children don't go along with it. They are in this state, the we/they state, entirely non-charitable. They do not see others as valid; they're not real. In the case of the Church of Scientology, those who have gone far enough through their processing cannot believe that it is imnortant to be-a human be4L-ng; they're something else. And those of us who are human beings are -- have no regard from them; our 'Li~.7es aari_~ of no importance whatsoever. it's something 71e r h. ap s you'll say that's getting into their religious be'Liefs, but sometimes you have to know something about the nature of belief in order to understand behavior, especially, as egregious as that which we are talking about today. Another factor in this is all too often the reason that individuals come out in a really hurt state, and that is, they reject all magic except their own. Now, I'm saying that somewhat ironically. They think, for. instance, that medicine is bad magic and, thus, the -- because they also reject the scientific view of know- ledg-e, they are unable to understand the medicine, medi- cal position on anything. Thus, too many of these groups - and, again, I'm talking abo ut Scientology in

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particular - are not at all capable of approaching doc- tors effectively, and they're often too late when they do. They have a few captured physicians working with them, and I say this with no prejudice to the to them, that many, many chiropractors have been gotten in. It is necessary in the case of all of these groups that they isolate these people that they have just brought in, the proselytes, - isolate them from their families - because their families remind them too much of the past, and they can sometimes break into the mind control state. And one other little thing, just I'll just men- tion the TRs and the bull baiting, which are seen as by me, as managing the focusing of the mind. There are many, many ways of doing that.. I think that the par- ticular way4_the Church of Scientology does this can be extraordinarily damaging over the long run and over the short run. These are exercises involving two people across the table with the E-Meter in the middle, with the face of the E-Meter to the auditor. And, thus, certain kinds of processes -- questions are asked over and over again in such a way that it is impossible for'the individual to answer them really quite right, depending a little bit

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on what the auditor wants to.get from these persons. Well, this is also eye-to-eye contact. The individual who is brought in must pay absolute attention to the auditor or will have to flunk and go back to the beginning of the rather painful processes. And by the time the individual gets through with this -- thEmind is already controlled. And by the time they go through the first auditing courses successfully, they are entirely under control of the auditor himself and will take almost an' y order from that person. One of the more heavy auditing processes that I have heard of is t-he one of sitting knee-to-knee for about eight hours, looking at one another, and-saying nothing and not blinking or answering some absurd ques- tion over and over and over and over and over, perhaps, /sometimes with bull baiting, which means they'll have to answer these questions correctly no matter what else is going on in the room, whether or not there are personal touches, some kind of laughing, some kind of nasty state- ments, sexual approaches. The person being audited cannot even begin to show any movement on the E-Meter or any in the face; it must absolutely be flat. In other words, that person must not respond emotionally to anything.

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This kind of treatment of the individual,-to.cut out any response to, for instance, conscience or the outrageous processes that are going on, simply empties them of this capacity to act really in a human way. Now, for a while it feels fine. But often these people have'gone through an enormous amount of pain to get to the point where they think they're beginning to be happier. And, in fact, very few of them are happy; they're just reaching for that which they have been promised but never comes. There is much to say about the Church of Scien- -~-07~:g7r that may not sound exactly scientific, but it is, nonetheless, sort of conclusional. One is that what they do is, in general, very hurting, often to the detri- ment of the mind. A number of people have come out of Scientology with no minds at all, no flow of conscious- ness. It has taken years to reinstate the mind. And all they remember as they come out is hurt, hurt, hurt. Almost every one of these processes, unless you happen to be a celebrity, is extremely painful. If you are doing the wrong thing, just like the child yqu are subjected to punishments'. Many of these things we've talked,about today are very much like a punishment to a bad child, except it goes so much further.

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But here, when the mind begins to fail and is entirely held up by the processes and by-the orders of an organi- zation like this, if something goes wrong within that system - that is, that the biological self, which cannot always be kept completely programmed, or the system itself, which has its own glitches - the individual maybe suddenly put out on a ledge, as it were, with nothing holding -- nothing to hold on: the mind emptied or any natural flow of consciousness, of memories of the past, of an adequate control of the English language. Yes, they almost never seem to be able to put a document together that is in decent English language. And these individuals either must go flat out mad or - in several case's we've heard about, probably many cases that have been lost - in suicide. Fortunately, for a lot of people who have come out by themselves, after a while - as with the other cults their minds will reassemble themselves over a period of time, at least a year is necessary. The first year or so may be one of great p ain, much anxiety for all of the rest of the family, and it gets even worse when they realize how much of the world they have lost, how much of a chance.for a happy life they have left behind. Thank you.

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MR. LeCHER: Thank you. Is an E-Meter similar in controlling your emotions to a bio-feedback machine?

DR. CLARK: Yes, it is. And it's -- it's a lie detector, in effect. one of the great achievements of the Church of Scientology is that it seems to be able to teach people how to beat the polygraph, and I have my reservations about the worth of that. But'that's essentially what it is. It short circuits the certain kinds of mental pro- cesses, if used by a very trained person, that is, that they can appear to be a little magical about their under- standing of what's going on in the person who is being audited. They get that person's attention more and more focused. It's very simple to do without the E-Meter, as a matter of fact. But almost all of us know that in hypnotism -- the old-fashioned mesmerizers used to do this kind of thing with some kind of device to center the mind on, and this- is really what the E-Meter is all about.

MR. LeCHER: If those that are so committed, so hooked, can somehow read the newspaper or watch these hearings, do you think they'd have enough to be questioning

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their lifestyle and want to get out?

DR. CLARK: I somehow think the threat of the cult conversion and the kind of dreadful things that happen I 41__Jy after are not as U-L-- to lure a victim as, for instance, drugs, because they believe that they can handle drugs over a shorter period of time. However, drugs are not being handled by quite such clever people as the cults. And the cults also have the friendhsip of the Civil Liberties Union and some of the leaders in the major denominations to sort of stand behind ~-hem and stand aside of them, saying this is also legitimaze raiigions of whatever kind. In that sense, I.can't answer your question really yes or no.

MR. FLYNN: If I may just interject one minute: The city received a letter from Branch -- it was the National Committee Against Repressive Legislation, which was sent to Mr. Shoemaker, and it opposed these hearings. There are -- there is at least one name, perhaps, two names - but definitely one name of an individual attorney on the 1~st of that National Committee Against Repressive Legislation who defended Mary Sue Hubbard and other defendants in the Washington criminal case. And upon various items of information that we have received, the

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9 . legal fees in connection with that defense were in the range of four to six million dollars.

MRS. GARVEY: We're in the wrong business.

MR. BERFIELD: You better well believe it.

MR. LeCHER: What - al 1 right, I know we're getting late but - what suggestions can you give us? What should we do and what can we do as elected representatives of a fair-sized city taken over by a large organization that has much more, frankly, money than we have?

DR. CLARK: That's right. I did not mention at the very beginning that I have been facing two nuisance suits for conspiracy, and they are nuisance suits. And, indeed, the nuisance suits will be a part of the future. it's up to us to rally our allies, the people who believe in the open society, who can smell tyranny when they hear about it. It's about time in this particular period that we admit that we're, as a country, in a lot oftrouble, and countries in a lot of trouble have always had business with cults all through history. But, now, it's time to stand up and say that "This isn't working." Now, these are groups who do not like to deal with the truth about them. They believe in what they're doing, but they know that from another point of view what

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they're doing is impermissible. What we can ask of them in meetings like this, when they have their time, is to speak to the issues instead of attacking individuals - which they will do, they'll attack individuals - so that they can compete in the marketplace of ideas and beliefs, and we'll let them compete all they wish. But we must not forget we're talking about their behavior which is, essentially, terrorist.

MR. LeCHER: I think that's very well put. What you're saying is that -- do not attack individuals but compete in the marketplace for ideas, and I think that's very well put, and I appreciate it. Do you want -- Commissioners, do you want any ques- tions? I know it's getting late and --

MR. CALDERBANK: How would you guide us? This Commission is-very concerned about the difference between church and state and secular or religious.interest. How would you guide us on -- you mentioned behavior. How would you guide us? How would you give advice to this Commission on how to proceed?

DR., CLARK: I face that right now. It evolved -- in this country, the behavior of religious organizations is not somehow guarded by the First Amendment. There's a lot of nonsense about that. This whole country is not

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set up in order that religions can do whatever they wanted to do; we're really quite frightened of the word 11religion.11 On the contrary, the First Amendment has two sides: It's there to protect us from religious zealotry and fanaticism,-as much as the other way around. How many of our first immigrants were running away, not from government but from religious persecution by religions? This is going to be the problem of the next genera- tion of religious organizations and new org anizations of minds and groups. Now, sometimes, they will not call them religious organizations, but right now in this country, because there's a First Amendment, it is useful to do so. in the case of the Church of Scientology, you can almost say that it is an ad hoc religion; it became a religion because it realized that it was convenient to be a religion.

MR. CALDERBANK: Do you feel your First Amendment rights have been impeded by their actions?

DR. CLARK: Well, in

MR. CALDERBANK: Freedom of speech.

DR. CLARK: -- my case, I don't think they have. I think they've blown it so far. They've just simply made me more interested in what they're doing.

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.MR. CALDERBANK: Last question is: We've heard belief and behavior, and we've had a lot of people say their behavior is either criminal or fraudule4t. How would,you characterize their behavior?

DR. CLARK: I think I would characterize this organization by the definitions of the court of their leaders: it's a criminal organization. And, certainly, the behavior toward Paulette Cooper and to many others is trulv criminal. Their willingness, their readiness to do anything criminal in order to do what thev want to d_- is characteris~Lic of their criminal mind. 2VIR. LeCHER: Thank you. We have a -- Commissioners, I'd like to get to the last witness. If you have something you must ask Dr. Clark, go ahead. Thank you very much, sir. You have summed it up very well. we have one more witness that won't last too long, but because of things beyond our control we're going to take a five-minute break and come right back. (Whereupon, a recess was taken.) (Whereupon, the hearing resumed.)

MR. LeCHER: Am I on? Ladies and gentlemen, take your seats, please.

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Gentlemen in the aisle, ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats. We don't have much longer to go, but we do want to conclude this evening. Madam Clerk, will you swear the witness.. BROWN McKEE, a witness herein, having first been duly sworn by a Clerk for the City'of Clearwater, was examined and testified as follows:

MR. LeCHER: What is your name, sir?

MR. McKEE: Brown McKee.

MR. LeCHER: Brown McKee, okay. I must ask you the same five standard questions. Are you appearing here today to testify under oath voluntarily?

MR. McKEE: Yes, I am.

MR. LeCHER: Have you been paid by anyone, except expenses to come to Clearwater? .MR. McKEE: No.

MR. LeCHER: Do you have a lawsuit against the Church of Scientology?

MR. McKEE: No.

MR. LeCHER: Does the Church.of Scientology have a lawsuit against. you?

MR. McKEE: No.

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MR. LeCHER: Has anyone suggested to you that you should state anything but the truth or has anyone suggested that you change your testimony for any reason?

MR. McKEE: No.

MR. LeCHER: Thank you.

Mr. Flynn, do you want to present your witness?

MR. FLYNN: Go ahead.

MR. McKEE: I've been a Scientologist for twenty- four years; I'm what's called a field Scientologist. ilm not a member of the Sea Orq., never have been. I ooerate or did operate groups in Connecticut called missions, which are autonomous Scientology groups. I left the Church in January of this year. This is the second forum that I've been to in Clearwater recently. The first one being in December of last year, where a group of field persons such as myself, approximately fifty - we're all mission holders, we're the executives of the field groups - got together and demanded that officials of the Church and the Sea Org. be present to hear our protests and our demands for reform w I ithin the Church. Now, this hearing went on for five days. And during this time, it was probably one of the most emotionally moving experiences I've ever had. I heard people give

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firsthand accounts of what they had experienced in Scien- tology; these are people still in Scientology, by the way. And I thought that some of my hardships were terrible, but after hearing those I found I really got off quite easy. I heard a woman describe how her husband went to Flag when it was on the ship because he had a heart con- dition, and one of Hubbard's prescriptions for that is vitamin E. And.he came back, and according to her des- cription - I knew the man, by the way - he came back a broken man and died two or three months later. And it's a little gory, but the autopsy showed his stomach to be filled with undissolved Vitamin E capsules. .Another mother was -- spoke at this, and it was almost l,ike.-listening to a pregnant woman crazy with grief. Her daughter, who was a young mother, had -- was also a field Scientologist running a group in Sacramento, California and had come to the Flag Base for the high- level auditing called NED for OTs, and had become so distressed and so upset that she kept calling her, "Come do-something to help me." She couldn't travel from Cali- fornia to Clearwater because she was simply too ill. So couldn't do they something, couldn't she-transfer her money to Los Angeles and get the auditing to help her?

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And they said, "No, we can't transfer the money." Shortly after that, the young woman died.' The autopsy disclosed it was from a ruptured pancreas, which I'm told is a stress-induced condition. Hearing her mother who's an old, old friend of mine,-as was the young woman, and her husband tell these things to the Church officials as examples of the inhuman-4 ity and complete lack of regard for the humanity of Deoole of this so-called Church was one of the most difficult tasks that I had to ever sit th-rough. I probably have a reputation in Scien-r-clogy as one of the more vocal malcontents. I've been pressing for some form of reform for many, many years. After this meeting in December, we went back to Connecticut with the firm conviction that there was no interest within this Church for reform. The dirty tricks, the Guardian's Office operations, and that type of thing, which they told us were all a matter of the past, we found out were not a matter of the past. They tried to break up the meeting that we field people had called - they didn't call it - that we had called down here to try to get some of these things correc ted. Now, I've been a minister of this Church for some sixteen years, and I really took it seriously. I've

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married people, I've buried them, and to me it was a duty and an honor. And to find out what my Church had been doing -- it's a little hard on me. Now, there's one other point: And one of the main reasons why I wanted to be here is that I see -- I'm a professional auditor and case supervisor, and I've been doing it for many years. I know what is taught and the technology of Ron Hubbard. I've heard his tapes by the hundreds and have read his book by the thou~ands. And I can quote almost anything you'd like quoted right now. I know what this man says about illness, and illness is cured only by auditing. That is not what is told to the public, but that is what is taught us, we, who are the practitioners and the ministers of the Church. The reason why I say this is because I believe it's dangerous. My late wife, Julie, and I were in Washington in 1977 taking training. And I had recently had one of -- at that time had another one of my run-ins with a. Guardian; they know my people to be vocal. And so, I was ordered to sec checks, security checking, and a guard posted on me and my wife, who was guilty because she was my wife. I managed to get through the security check because I'm an expert security checker, and I know how to get

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through them. You learn these things -- you know how to -- we people in the field learn how to survive at the Flag Land Base and at the orgs.; we've learned the rules of the game, if you understand my point. We're -- we don't walk in like a wide-eyed virgin walking into a military brothel; we've learned 'now to survive. At any rate, this was a very, very hard thing on ~Is because there was a degree oZE duress. And we went home kind of beaten. We didn't really -- we didn't want to do anymore SC4;:-ntology studying. "Ind Julie complained Z 7Ulia o- --l-rec'ness and zhis and that. 0 --arely ever com- plained of anything. But anyway, I saw her beginning to slow down, and by the summer of 1978, she, who was also a ve ry highly trained auditor -- and, also, you must realize both of us were totally pursuaded that the source of all illness,was mental, except for, say, a broken leg, and the way of curing it is with auditing. This is what it's our business. So, during the summer, Julie lost more and more of her energy and had some swelling and some small chest . pains and this and that and began to lose her voice. So, I thought, "Well, Flag has the best auditors in the world and should be able to help her out.." So, I sent her down here to Clearwater in, I guess it was, October of 1978.

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We never even really thought about going to see a doctor; that's just not what -- the Scientologist doesn't think about that. Well, they sent her back a week later sicker and she couldn't speak for -- she couldn't even whisper any- more. She'd write notes. So I'tapped on her back, because she was complaining about her chest, and on one side I could hear the sound of the hollow sound that you hear when you tap, and the other side, it wasn't hollow. And so, I knew that there wasn't any air on that side. So, we went to see a doctor, and he had her in the hospital very quickly. She was there two days when we were given the report. And what it was was adenocarcin- oma, which was a cancer of the lymph glands of the lungs, and her right lung had totally collapsed, and which this cancer had also infiltrated her throat and paraiyzed her vocal cords. And it had progressed to the point where it was totally hopeless. I mean, they didn't even suggest chemotherapy. And they sent her home, and I cared for her for ten days. And she died in my arms. And I began to think a little bit about this type of thing at that point. .This type of thing isn't too easy to say, but I

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think that it's important that somebody say it. And this is what is taught the professional Scientologist. And by following the instructions and following what we work very hard to learn, it cost my wife her life. She may have died anyway; we don't know. If we had taken her to the doctor early, perhaps not. We can only speculate on that. But what I do know is, because of my faith in this man, Ron Hubbard, she didn't have a chance.

MR. LeCHER: One or just a f-aw questions from me. Do you think the organization can survive a reform movement such as you want to initiate?

MR. McKEE: The organization that you have heard about could not possibly survive a reform movement.

MR. LeCHER: What percentage of the field people feel like you do?

MR. McKEE: I would say ninety-five percent. MR., LeCHER: How would you describe the people that are left at Flag now, which is Clearwater, left running the organization, the Church? Are they the --

MR. McKEE: I can describe them all right; I just don t want to get sued.

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MR. LeCHER: Are they the old-timers like you

MR. McKEE: No.

MR. LeCHER: -- that spent their -- half their life or virtually their entire life with them, or are they the younger people that are

MR. McKEE: They're immature, ignorant, brainwashed religious zealots. That's my personal opinion.

MR. LeCHER: Commissioners. Yes, ma'am.

MRS. GARVEY: Is there anything -- you've been hearing the testimony for today -- yesterday?

MR. McKEE: Yes.

MRS. GARVEY:. Is there any single piece of informa- tion that we need to have yet? Or have we collected -- have we asked all the right questions? is everything clearly out in the open now?

MR. McKEE: I think you've done a remarkable job of.asking the proper questions and getting specific information. The only protest that I personally have - and I'll say this before somebody says I can't - your task is -- you have been operating limiting or restricting the hear- ings somewhat because you're discussing a Church and a religion - and you see, I'm a minister.of this and I'm

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trained in it and it didn't become religious or spiritual until it was necessary organizationally to gain First Amendment protection in the 1960's. Religion had nothing to do with it and still has nothing to do with it, in fact.

MRS. GARVEY: Even though you consider yourself a minister?

MR. McKEE: Yes, I'm a minister of the Church. Look, in order to do that, I had to very carefully sort out what is a minister; it's one who cares, and I care for -oeople. And so, I think I could qualify.

MR. LeCHER: Mr. Hatchett. MR.. HATCHETT: No.

MR. LeCHER: Mr. Shoemaker.

MR. SHOEMAKER: Mr. McKee, the incident you des- cribed last December, you said tha t that was prompted by individuals such as yourself, demanding that tha t meeting be held?

MR. McKEE: That's correct. It was called by two individuals who are field Scientologists, not Church members.

MR. SHOEMAKER: Are -- approximately, how many of the field members attended that meeting?

MR. McKEE: Well, we started out with about fifty

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on the first day - which was supposed to be a two-day meeting - and by the fifth day, there were about two hundred there.

MR. SHOEMAKER: These were all -- from all over the entire country that were expressing your concerns about the way that the operation at Flag was being carried out?

MR. McKEE: All over the United States, Canada, Mexico, Great Britain, and South Africa, yes. It was video taped by- the Guardian's Of f ice complete -- or by the Sea Organization completely.

MR. SHOaMAKER: What happened to the video tapes?

MR. McKEE: And those tapes exist somewhere.

MR. SHOEMAKER: Did -- was there any type of change that occurred after from that meeting?

MR. McKEE: Well, the highest officials showed up on the sixth day, and they didn't want any further comment. They, essentially, told us what we were going to be doing. I made the mistake, from their viewpoint, an organizational mistake of standing up and speaking anyway. And so, I was very quickly after that declared to be a Suppressive Person. They implied some promises that there might be some changes with -- and made one specific promise which was broken two weeks later. It-,*U /

MR. SHOEMAKER: You were declared a public person -- Suppressive Person after standing up and making your feelings known?

MR. McKEE: That's correct. They also declared -- the date of the meeting was the first week in December of last year, and I was declared, I think, the second week of January.

MR. SHOEMAKER: Did they notify you of this? Or how did you find out that you were considered a Suppres- sive Person?

MR. McKEE: When the US Guardian people came and gave me the piece of paper -- laid the piece of paper on the table and said they'd like to handle me.

MR. SHOEMAKER: And from that point, what was your response?

MR. McKEE: Well, handle meant that I had to recant and apologize for everything I did, and I didn't have anything to apologize for. So, I said, "You're going to have to take your best shot because, not only am I'out but so are my groups." MR~ SHOEMAKER: So, with your leaving, were there a number of others such as yourself that have also left the Church on that basic

MR. McKEE: I had I ran two missions, was the

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Director for two missions in Connecticut of a total of about fifty active people, people that would come two or three times a week. Every single individual and every staff member left with me.

MR. SHOEMAKER: In your two missions?

MR. McKEE: Yes. And my friends in Rochester also left.

MR. SHOEMAKER: Mr. McKee, the -- I'm sure you've heard described over the last few days terrible situations relating to health conditions.

MR. McKEE: Yes.

MR. SHOEMAKER: Are you -- do you have any first- hand knowledge relating to

MR. McKEE: Not firsthand knowledge; I've heard the stories.

MR. SHGEMARER: What

MR. McKEE: I haven't seen it. I saw it on the Apollo;. I was on the ship. And I saw the conditions on the ship; it was inhuman.

MR. SHOEMAKER: Am I to understand that those types of conditions did not exist where you were in Connecticut or MR..McKEE: Oh, no. We didn't -- no. See, in the Church of Scientology like Boston, New

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York, or the Flag Land Base are Churches of Scientology. We are Church of Scientology Mission of New London, Connecticut, Church of Scientology Mission of. I am the president of the corporation, and there are no members of the corporation that are not members of the group. It's a franchise group. It's like Connecticut's McDonald's franchise.

MR. SHOEMAKER: You had indicated that you had problems off and on by the Guardian's Office. Are you f amiliar or aware of any --with firsthand knowledge in which they've attempted to obtain auditing files from you for use?

MR. McKEE: Well, yes, I -- in relation to the extraction of information for nefarious purposes, I do not have any firsthand information. I always assumed that no one would ever dare touch a confessional folder. I wouldn't since I heard that, which 'was not too long ago, I refused to send any folders.

MRS. GARVEY: You mean, you did previously?

MR. SHOEMAKER: You were before this?

MR. McKEE: Oh, yes.

MR. SHOEMAKER: And you sent those to Clearwater?

MR. McKEE: Oh, yes, many, many. I really have a very hard time believing

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anybody would do that.

MR. LeCHER: Do the field people -- are they- aware

MR. McKEE: The confessions of people are guar- anteed.

MR. LeCHER: -- of all the dirty tricks?

MR. McKEE: No. There is a gradual awareness creeping in. You have to realize that the information within the Scientology network is ,,7ery restrictive. Not many people even -read newspapers and, if they do, we're taught that this is only enemy attack. And it's really remarkable.

MR. LeCHER: You were rather isolated,*then,,and knew none of this existed?

MR. McKEE: No, other than what our Connecticut

MR. LeCHER: Okay.

MR. McKEE: We're not that isolated. We're just not quite that naive, maybe.

MR. LeCHER: Do you have a copy of the paper declaring you a Suppressive Person?

MR. McKEE: I don't think I have it with me.

MR. LeCHER: But if we ask for it, could we get a copy of it?

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MR. McKEE: Absolutely.

MR. LeCHER: Gentlemen on my left.

MR. BERFIELD: Where was the meeting held?

MR. McKEE: Where?

MR. BERFIELD: Yes.

MR. McKEE: At the Sand Castle. It's-one of the hotels owned by the Sea Org.

MR. CALDERBANK: T.~7hat made ~,ou belie%,e in the LRH 'L-echno-logy? You were a good minister and an upstanding mJ_.nister in the Church all- the way uo until a few months a c Zfc, r c,,- g-a ~_ s s en t-y y ea r s

MR. LeCHER: Twenty-four years.

MR. CALDERBANK: -- twenty-four years. What made you believe in it?

MR. McKEE: Well, I could pass it off as stupidity, but the fact -Of the matter was that I had been training as an engineer. And the book, Dianetics, has a very logical development of the subject, and that appealed to my ,thought process very much. And the thing it promised, which -- what I wanted, being only a so-so student, was a higher,IQ.

MR. CALDERBANK: They guaranteed you that?

MR. McKEE: Yes.

MR. CALDERBANK: Did you ever consider L. Ron

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Hubbard's background, the promises held out? You were an engineer. Did.you believe him more because he was a nuclear physicist?

MR. McKEE: Well, I never bit on that one because. I do know a little bit about nuclear physics and mathe- matics. But I rendered the man some poetic license.

MR. CALDERBANK: And my last question is: Do you think the belief in the technology would be hindered if this Flag Base was'put under any type of financial scrutiny?

MR. McKEE: That -1the technology would be hindered?

MR. CALDERBANK: Yes.

MR. McKEE.: Absolutely not. What little there is workable to it, which really isn't very much, would be all they would have left. And it would be a tremendous favor if that's all they could do. .MR. CALDERBANK: You mean, that instead or, in fact, it might help this thread or belief in this tech- nology if there was some kind of financial controls?

MRS. GARVEY: For financial Mk. McKEE: No. I'd

MR. CALDERBANK: Strike that. Financial scrutiny.

MR. McKEE: In my opinion, at this point in time,

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not only will Scientology no longer spread, it has stopped spreading about four years ago. By my observa- tion - and I've observed quite a number of other missions, my own, and orgs. - it's shrinking rapidly. And I think that if the idea of financial scrutiny is viable - and I think it would also be allowed by law, corporate law - that the funds are handled as prescribed by law for non-profit corporations -- were that done, all they could do-over'there is service people.

MR. CALDERBANK: And that would actually help?

MR. McKEE: It would help the people. It would help the people, but the little neo-Nazi types wouldn't have anything to do.

MR. LeCHER: Okay.

Mr. Berfield.

MR. BERFIELD:// No.

MR. LeCHER: Do you have any other witnesses?

MR. FLYNN: No. What I'd like to do at this point, quickly -- this is very vital to Mr. McKee's testimony and to everything else in this case. If we could put on the -- I mentioned at the outset in my opening the decree in the case of the United States v. Article or Device. Th6 case, as I said, came down in

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1971, and judgment was entered in 1972. At that time, after the Scientologists had lost two jury trials,with regard to, basically, all the issues welve talked about here - the medical issues - the court required if-we could go down to number three. The court issued the following order, which is still in effect and has always been in effect since 1972, and it says: "Any and all items of written, printed, or graphic matter'which directly or indirectly refers to the E-Meter or to Dianetics and/or Scientology and/or audit- ing or processing shall not be further used or distributed unless and until the items shall bear the following. prominent printed warning permanently affixed to said item on the outside front cover or on the title page in letters no smaller"

MRS. GARVEY: No. That's the wrong one.

MR. HATCHETT: That's the wrong one.

MR. FLYNN: -- "than eleven-point type than eleven-point leaded type." Just bring it down -- the other way. I've just read from number three: "Any and all items o~ written." And then there's the warning, which is supposed to be in eleven-point leaded type on the cover page or on

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the title page: "The device known as the Hubbard Electro- meter or E-Meter used in auditing, a process of Scien- tology and Dianetics, is not.medically or scientifically useful for the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of any disease. It is. not medically or scientifically capable of improving the health or bodily functions o - f anyone." That's what the court ordered in 1972.And within the last forty-eight hours, we have purchased a couple 01: ~:)ublications f-rom, the Fort Harrison Hotel, which have already ~Deen 4Ln-_rcd.,_,ced _~n ev idence, and of them is the book, Dianetics. And nowhere in that book does that warning appear.

There is a little -- "To the reader," which you can barely read, which discusses Dianetics as some type of a religious philosophy. And, also, the book, All About Radiation, by a Nuclear Physicist and a Medical Doctor -- also, the warning is not affixed in that pub- licatic.n.

So, I will put the judgment into evidence.

MR. LeCHER: Would you say they are in violation of the court orders?

MR. FLYNN: That's correct.

MR. LeCHER: The '72.court order?

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MR. FLYN14: That's correct.

MR. LeCHER: Within the State of Florida, the city, or the county, who shouldbe made aware of that informa- tion, what agency?

MR. FLYNN: Mayor, it could range from the Secre- tary of State, dealing with the Charitable Corporations Division, the State's Attorney Genera 1, the Pinellas County State's Attorney General, the Pinellas County Consumer Protection Department, and if there was a Consumer Protection Department in the City of Clearwater, they could enforce it, also. And the next exhibit is an exhibit, entitled "Scientology Operations in Clearwater," which is several hundred pages of Guardian's Office activities against your former mayor, Mayor Cazares, including Operation Tacoless, Op,!E~ration Speedy Gonzales, Operation Keeler.I, Operation Keeler II - some of these things you've probably read about in the newspaper - as well as Pro- ject Normandy, the first page of which states: "Pro- ject Information. The major purpose of this project is to obtain enough data on the Clearwater area to be able to determine what groups and individuals B 1 will need to penetrate and handle in order to establish area con- trol."

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And then Operating Targets are just about every major organization in the City of Clearwater. And t he other -- the last exhibit is simply or the next to the last exhibit is a collection of documents involving, basically, how to commit criminal operations. And then we will be entering into evidence, approx mately, ten to twelve affidavits of various individuals that corroborate the testimony, and in some degree add to in some degree o-f some of what you heard, including the Affidavit of Tonja Burden, who was a Sea Ora. member 1 at the ace of thirteen to the aae of seventeen; she s;Dent! two and-a-half years in Clearwater. During this time she received no education, as the affidavit states. She worked sixteen to eighteen hours a day, between the ages of fifteen and seventeen, coding and decoding telexes for some of those operations and other criminal opera- tions going on in the United States. Those codes were double- and triple-coded in the Owl Code, the Eagle Code, and codes of similar type. So, she was coding and decoding, and she didn't even know what she was coding. And she also -- she ended up in the RPF, and she describes conditions in the RPF, some of which you've heard here today. She describes an individual chained

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to the boiler in the Fort Harrison Hotel; she describes conditions on the ship; and she generally describes what the Guardian's Office, did to her when she escaped from the Fort Harrison, went back to Las Vegas, was kidnapped, taken to California, told to pick up the cans, the E-Meter, and was subjected to an intensive security check, during which period of time she signed legal releases to L. Ron Hubbard, Mary Sue Hubbard, the Church of Scientology, waivers, admitted that it was all her misconduct, and that she owed the Church of Scientology sixty-three thousand dollars.

MR. LeCHER: Is she still a minor?

MR. FLYNN: No. She's now about twenty-two years old.

MR. LeCHER: At that point, was she still a minor?

MR. FLYNN: Correct. And the individuals that are now running the Church of,Scientology were Sea Org. members of her age that grew up with her with L. Ron Hubbard, in the age of twenty-one, twenty-two years of age. And there are many other affidavits here that per- tain to various.subjects, including a widow, Peggy Baer, from whom in two weeks they got thirty-three thousand dollars shortly after her husband died - she was

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targeted - and similar types of items. We'll mark all of those affidavits. At this point in time, we'll wait to hear from Scientology.

MR. LeCHER: Well, ladies and gentlemen, we thank you for being with us for four days. we will be waiting for the Scientologists, as you will be, Monday.. I wonder -- as I said earlier, before these hear- incTs started, that it's not the big city fighting this small organization. It's little old Clearwater that's to defend itsel_` against a worldwide o-rg-anizat-ion --hat's taking in over a million dollars a day in Clearwater.

Thank you for staying with us. This meeting is adjourned'.

(A copy of the Organization Chart for the Church of Scientology was marked as Exhibit No. 53, as of this date;

A document, pertaining to the use of f iles, was marked as Exhibit No. 54, as of this date;

Documents, pertaining to the use of. auditing information, were marked as Exhibit No. 55, as of this date; A copy of the Judgment in the Arti- cle or Device case was marked as Exhibit No. 56, as of this date;

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Documents, under the title of 11sciell- tology Operations in Clearwater," were marked as Exhibit No. 57, as of this date; Documents, pertaining to how to do criminal operations, were marked as Exhibit No. 58, as of this date; Affidavits were marked as Exhibit No. 59, as of this date.) (Whereupon, the hearing was adjourned until Monday, May 10, 1982, at 9:00 a.m.)

C E R T I F I C A T I O N

I, Karen E. Rizman, a certified court reporter and Notary Public, do hereby certify that the foregoing hearing transcript of the City of Clearwater Commission Hearings Re: The Church of Scientology, pages 4 through 420, is a true and accurate transcription of my dictated tape recordings of the proceedings taken at the Clear- water City Hall, Clearwater Florida, on Saturday, May 8, 1982.

Karen E. Rizman j

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