Re: Letter to David Schulson Autographs, Inc about fake Hubbard letter

On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:44:45 -0500, "Charlie" <tawnyagail@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"Gerry Armstrong" <gerry@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message
>news:pis1suohek7n23bkrh332jsmg6l1tncfha@4ax.com...

>> David Schulson Autographs, Inc.
>> 225 West 34th St. Suite 1908
>> New York, NY 10122
>>
>> By: e-mail schulson@aol.com
>>
>> Re: Hubbard letter in your catalog
>>
>> Dear David Schulson Autographs, Inc.
>>
>> You advertise as follows:
>>
>> [Quote]
>>
>> HUBBARD, L. RON. (1911-86). Founder of the religious movement known as
>> Scientology and creator of Dianetics, a form of counseling.
>> T.L.S., on personalized stationery with the "S" symbol of Scientology,
>> 4to, typed envelope postmarked Los Angeles, February 17, 1976.
>> He writes about subjects related to Scientology. "I have passed your
>> idea on to the terminal who would be interested in such things at
>> Celebrity Center.I have not done research into the Atlanteans Yes, I
>> am clear.Regarding the question of the existence of a Supreme Being, I
>> would like for you to read the data I have written on the Eighth
>> Dynamic in my various books. Qual could help find the references." He
>> signs in green ink above his typed name, "L. Ron Hubbard." Hubbard's
>> religious movement is based on his form of psychological counseling
>> discussed in his book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental
>> Health (1950). A good letter with typed envelope. $1400.00
>>
>> [End Quote]
>>
>> This is 99.99999% certain NOT a letter from L. Ron Hubbard , NOT
>> signed by him, and NOT conveying his words or sentiments.
>>
>> A Scientology Organization Unit called Standing Order Number 1 (SO#1)
>> Unit typed and signed all such letters for and purporting to be from
>> Hubbard by the thousands. SO#1 standardly used green ink. They are all
>> fakes.
>>
>> Standing Order Number One stated: "All mail addressed to me [L. Ron
>> Hubbard] shall be received by me." That "order" was a lie. Only when
>> Hubbard's SO#1 lie was used by litigants to obtain service of legal
>> process on him did the Scientology cult change their lying Standing
>> Order Number 1.
>>
>> There is no way that Hubbard wrote or signed the letter you assert is
>> from him that is dated February 17, 1976. On that date Hubbard was in
>> hiding, and ALL such correspondence was being handle by the SO#1 Unit.
>> All Hubbard's actual communications on that date were handled by me
>> personally.
>>
>> You should also know that the Scientology organization has produced
>> massive quantities of books purportedly signed by Hubbard personally,
>> the signatures in which are also faked.
>>
>> Hubbard was a fraud. Scientology is a fraud. Now you are promoting and
>> trying to flog a fraud.
>>
>> Please do your homework.
>>
>> Gerry Armstrong
>> www.gerryarmstrong.org
>>
>> cc: alt.religion.scientology
>>
>> © Gerry Armstrong
>> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

>Gerry,
>
>Sometime in the early eighties my ex-husband bought a white leather bound
>Dianetics book for ten thousand dollars (the laminated cherry box holding it
>was no extra charge). The signature on the inside cover was supposedly
>LRH's (black ink), and it was promoted as an "investment" since it would be
>worth so much more than ten grand in the future. Do you think LRH actually
>signed it? It certainly looks like his handwriting.

It is very possible that it is not Hubbard. This was a flap in the early 80's.

The cult has for decades had people who signed Hubbard's signature. SO#1 always had someone on post to sign his signature.

I've told this before, but it bears retelling here. When on the Apollo in the early 70's, the L. Ron Hubbard Personal Secretary (LRH Pers Sec) was Joyce Popham. She had the hat of signing Hubbard's signature during that period.

Joyce had a metal template or guide for a pen which produced a perfect, and always identical Hubbard signature. And she learned his signature freehand so that she could produce a perfect, but not mechanically identical, signature whenever it was needed.

At one point I brought a Portugese notary on board the ship to notarize Hubbard's signature, and have it recorded in the notary's book. At that time in Portugal subsequent notarizations or autentications of signatures were done by comparison with the signature already recorded in the notary's book. I later took this notary several documents Joyce Popham had signed as Hubbard, and had them notarized by the notary's comparison with Hubbard's actual recorded signature.

The documents I had "notarized" in this manner, by order, included papers for registering the marks "Dianetics" and "Scientology."

In 1980 and 1981 I was in Hubbard's Personal PR Office, in close touch with SO#1, and working on or in close contact with MCCS (Mission Corporate Category Sortout). See, e.g., http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/b1-file-partial.html

"7 March 81 Commendation Chit from SO #1 I/C for his assistance. Says he has provided service to all of us in SO#1."

"10 June 81 Gets an "appreciation chit" from Lisa Britowich - MCCS 2nd. Apparently he did work with this mission."

Laurel Sullivan (Laurel Watson, Laurel Rock, Laurel Sullivan) was LRH Personal PRO International and MCCS I/C during this period. It came to her attention that the cult was selling Scientology books with phony Hubbard signatures for enormous prices. She knew this would be a huge flap if the public ever found out about the fraud.

Much worse, Laurel knew that the cult's selling books "signed" by Hubbard could be used to disprove the lie the cult was telling to various courts, because a number of adverse litigants were attempting to serve Hubbard, that the cultists were not able to communicate with him.

Here they were apparently printing books, and sending them to him to sign, while claiming they had no clue where he was or how to reach him. And worse than that, they really were not sending him the books but having someone else forge his signature.

My recollection is that Laurel at least temporarily got the cult to knock off the signature fraud. But the cult still maintained the lie that they had no communication line to Hubbard.

My belief, however, is that it was not huge boxes of books which went to Hubbard for his signature, and not huge boxes of signed books which came back from him to the org. Mail packs of traffic he really wanted on his lines went to him, and things he wanted the org to handle came back.

My belief is that a great number of books with fake Hubbard signatures were marketed and sold by the cult. I cannot tell, obviously, if the signature in your white leather bound Dianetics book is a fake. But there are so many fake Hubbard signatures around that every signature starts out as doubtful.

By generating so many fake Hubbard signatures, the Scientology cult was devaluing whatever it was selling you.

But Scientology itself is a fake and Hubbard was a fake, so maybe it's fitting. Maybe a fake signature by a real person in your white leather bound book is just as precious as a real signature by a fake.