Andersen / Posner Exchange

From: painrelief {painrelief@quantumdisk.com} Subject: Andersen / Posner Exchange

To whom it may concern,

On April 29th I sent an e-mail related to my biography to Dr. Gary Posner who is director of the Tampa Bay Skeptics (TBS) that also has the same agenda as James Randi. Dr. Posner and I had several e-mail exchanges regarding claims I make in my biography. All of the communications are enclosed in this e-mail. Look forward to your comments and reactions. The first part is my bio sent to Dr. Posner and this entire exchange will also be posted on my website at www.quantumdisk.com

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In early 1998, Brian David Andersen discovered he could project structuring energies into a liquid or solid at any distance. On April 10, 1998 Andersen made communications history when he was a guest on the Mysteries Of The Mind Radio Show (syndicated on the Talk America Broadcast System) with hosts Alex Merklinger and Lisa Theisse. Mr. Merklinger's radio show is now syndicated by the Chancellor Broadcasting Company who handles the Art Bell Show

Andersen changed the taste and quality of liquids located next to the radio hosts while he was in San Diego, California. Mr. Merklinger was located in Colorado Springs, Colorado during the broadcast and Ms. Theisse was in Yelm, Washington. Needless to say, the radio talk show hosts were amazed and dumbfounded when they compared the taste and quality of their treated and untreated liquids. Also Andersen did not know the location of Ms. Theisse when he changed her liquid (soft drink named Sprite). Edited and unedited audio tapes of the unprecedented and history making radio show are available upon request.

BRIAN DAVID ANDERSEN

Born October 21, 1952 - Dallas, Texas (Libra- three birthday - Water Dragon- Leo Rising) Education: University of Missouri School Of Journalism - 1972 to 1974 Freelance Writer / Photographer - Video Producer / Director / Cameraman - 1975 to 1988.

Became certified SCUBA diver in 1978 and completed Study Tour around the globe from 1978 to 1979 and was dive tour guide in Pattaya, Thailand for six months. Also completed research diving assignment in the Red Sea.

Book titled Prisoners Of The Deep published by Harper & Row 1985 that featured a unique 11 month prison program that trains inmates to be commercial divers. Andersen also assembled a video program on the prison program titled Dive To Freedom. The research, photography, writing and scripting of the book and video program took Andersen four years to complete.

Andersen co-invented the first functional underwater housing system for broadcast television cameras called the Ikegami and Sony Betacam. Was hired by ABC Sports to video-tape Wind Surfing Competition in 1984 and 1988 Olympics with new aquatic camera system. Was Producer / Director / Cameraman for underwater television productions around the world and also marketed the underwater television housings to other cameramen and production facilities around the world.

In 1988 discovered the new fields of structured water, room temperature superconductors and cold fusion. Released underwater television and freelance writer/photographer careers to pursue life as a researcher and inventor despite no training or education in science, math or physics. However, the apparent weakness of no formal education or training in the traditional university system was his greatest strength because Andersen was not predisposed into any false or incorrect belief or theoretical systems.

At the age of 18 Andersen was given a book on palmistry by his mother that began life long investigations, discoveries, adaptations and applications into and with areas called metaphysics. Over the past 25 years, Andersen learned and applied the disciplines known as I-Ching, Tarot, Numerology, Western and Far Eastern Astrology, Dream Interpretation, Native American Medicine Cards, Meditation, Yoga (Iyengar & Hatha), Clairvoyant & Clairaudioant abilities and many other spiritual/metaphysical pathways and disciplines. Between 1988 and 1994 Andersen worked as Professional Intuitive Counselor for numerous 900 psychic lines and for private clients around the world.

Andersen Investigated current Table Of The Chemical Elements and discovered many anomalies related to the separation of the elements known as the lanthanides. He asked the question of why are the lanthanides elements separated from the main square table? Created many new tables and illustrations related to the chemical elements. Also some of these new chemical charts combine astrology, numerology and chemistry into precise rhythmical patterns utilizing spheres and spirals. Andersen's investigations and charts were influenced by the clairvoyant observations of the chemical elements by Annie Besant and Charles Leadbeater and their efforts were featured in their book Occult Chemistry (published 1938 by the Theosophical Society).

In 1994 he developed a battery or wall plug powered device that utilized a one megahertz frequency and when the sound signal passed through a series of elements the atomic structure of liquids and solids was transformed and improved. The device called MULTY-TRANZ generated a multiple transformation of any liquid or solid and many conditions of human pain. The MULTY-TRANZ design and construction was based upon the discoveries Andersen had made related to combining astrology and numerology with the chemical elements. The new chemical charts demonstrated to Brian that oxygen was the key to all and any structures on the Earth.

The new chemical charts also indicated that there are two sources of oxygen - the atmosphere and the moving magma beneath the Earth. The molten hot magma that is under pressure and constantly moving gives off a full array of oxygen molecules that organize the atomic structure of all substances on Earth. The MULTY-TRANZ and Andersen's latest inventions duplicate and magnify the oxygen molecules emitted by the moving magma beneath the Earth. The oxygen molecules are also know as CHI in Far Eastern disciplines.

In 1997 he discovered that a combination of metals processed and molded in special manner also changes the atomic structure of liquids and solids without the sound generator, batteries or electronics. This new technology made mostly of the element of aluminum was named the Quantum Disk FVY and he has been selling this device since May 1997.

In October 1997 Brian discovered an element that can be reduced to a powder very efficiently and at a low cost. One hundred microns of the powder that is treated by his special process is approximately 30 percent more powerful that the three inch diameter aluminum Quantum Disk and is not toxic to animals, plants or humans. Andersen also co-developed the very best nutritional powder called Quantum Nutrient Blends and the highest quality nutritional drink called Quantum-7 Nutrient Fusions with Dr. Bart Flick M.D.

In 1997 Andersen also discovered he could also change the atomic structure of any liquid or solid by simply holding the liquid or solid in his hand without wearing or being near the Quantum Disk. In January 1998 Andersen discovered he could project his structuring abilities to any liquid or solid at any location on Earth. Andersen's inventions and products are featured on his website at A quote by the late songwriter, former mayor and congressman Sonny Bono also summarizes the life of Brian David Andersen:

I am not qualified for any areas of my life that I have been successful at.

At 10:46 AM 4/29/98 -0400, you wrote:

In early 1998, Brian David Andersen discovered he could project structuring energies into a liquid or solid at any distance. . . . Andersen changed the taste and quality of liquids

On behalf of the Tampa Bay Skeptics, we would be happy to help Brian discover in mid-1998 that he can't really do what is claimed in your post. We could afford to pay a mere $1,000 for a successful demonstration of "psychic" ability, but could get James Randi to test him for his $1,000,000+ prize.

-- Gary Posner, Founder and Exec. Dir.
Tampa Bay Skeptics
http://members.aol.com/tbskep

Statement:

"I Brian David Andersen can change and improve the taste of a liquid by placing a liquid at any distance from my body and I do not touch container or liquid with any part of my body.

The following is a proposed Quadruple Blind Smell and Taste Test Protocol related to above statement by the Claimant. Results of smell portion of test will not determine if test is a success or failure.

1. Claimant and Skeptic Group choose a Project Coordinator to assemble Quadruple Blind Taste Test. Claimant and Skeptic Group will not participate in any phase of assembly of test.

2. Project Coordinator approaches wine tasting expert to participate in Quadruple Blind Smell and Taste Test of Cabernet Sauvignon made by two different wineries -- however only one brand of wine will be utilized in the test.

A. Tester is not informed about Claimant or statement made by Claimant.

B. Tester is not informed that Skeptic Group is a participant in the test.

C. Tester is not informed that only one brand of wine will be used in test.

D. Tester does not smoke cigarettes, cigars, or chew tobacco or drink coffee, tea or caffeinated liquids.

3. Project Coordinator secures testing site anywhere in world but not in San Diego, California.

4. Ten glass containers holding one to two ounces of liquid are labeled on the bottom of the containers with numbers 1 through 10.

5. Bottle (1500 ml) of Glen Ellen Cabernet Sauvignon (considered a cheap wine) is opened and half is poured into 32 ounce glass container with lid and second half is poured into another 32 ounce glass container with lid. One container is taken into a separate room and placed in front of member of Skeptic Group and representative of claimant by Project Coordinator at a distance of three feet for two minutes and is labeled Wine A. Claimant is on speaker phone with member of Skeptic Group and representative of Claimant while treating wine for two minutes. Project Coordinator announces into speaker phone when bottle enters room and when two minutes of treatment time have expired. Wine in other 32 ounce glass container that is not treated by claimant is labeled Wine B. Wine B is placed in secure area by Project Coordinator until wine is poured into three to five ounce glasses.

6. Tester chooses how many one to two ounce glass containers are to be filled by Wine A and how many glasses will be filled by Wine B. Tester is not present in room when glasses are filled. After filling glasses with Wine A and Wine B and recording the numbers on bottom of glasses, the glasses are randomly shuffled.

7. Tester smells each glass and segregates each glass into group A or group B.

8. Glasses are lifted and numbers are recorded for testers choices for group A and group B.

9. Tester leaves room and glasses are randomly shuffled by Project Coordinator.

10. Tester tastes wine in each glass and segregates each glass into group A or group B according to smoothness and after-bite.

11. Glasses are lifted and numbers are recorded for testers choices for group A and group B.

12. Ten new one to two ounce glass containers with labels on the bottom are utilized for second part of taste test. A coin is flipped 10 times by Project Coordinator. Heads is Wine A and tails is wine B and glasses are filled accordingly by the two 32 ounce containers.

13. Glasses are randomly shuffled and steps 7 through 11 are repeated.

14. Results compiled - Success - 90 to 100 percent - Failure - 80 percent or less. There is one absolute in science - there are no absolutes. Therefore to place a 100 percent absolute requirement on ANY kind of test to label the test as a success is absurd especially when the test results are determined by the tasting ability of a human.

15. All phases and the entire Quadruple Blind Smell and Taste Test detailed above will be continuous and not terminated or stopped for any reason once the test begins.

16. Project Coordinator will provide Skeptic Group dimensions and layout of room where Claimant will be standing to treat Wine A (located in San Diego, California), the room where the wine is located when being treated by Claimant and room where tester will be tasting wine. Skeptic Group can provide Project Coordinator any number of cameras or sensors to be placed in the exact locations deemed by Skeptic Group but will not be revealed to Claimant. Skeptic Group will be given dimensions and layout at least 14 days before test is conducted. Members of Skeptic Group will not be in room where Claimant is located when treating wine nor when tester tastes wine.

Claimant is not interested in taste test that involves a check of any kind from Skeptic Group or pledges from any organization. Competent events such as live concerts or sporting competitions with parimutuel betting require that the finances be put in place first, then the talent is signed and the event occurs. Claimant desires that this test be conducted no differently than a professional event. A check from Skeptic Group or pledges from any kind of group are not professional or rational procedures.

17. Skeptic Group will give all monies in cash or Treasury Bond Cetificates to Project Coordinator before Project Coordinator begins assembly of taste test. Project Coordinator will set up an escrow account for all other persons challenging statement by Claimant. All monies placed by other challengers will be held in an escrow account created by Project Coordinator until Quadruple Blind Smell and Taste Test is completed.

18. When monies have been secured from Skeptic Group, Claimant will personally deliver to the Project Coordinator a modified written agreement required by Skeptic Group (if one is required) to include special conditions described in this proposal for participating in the test related to claiming to have paranormal powers. The written agreement will have a notarized signature by the Claimant.

19. Project Coordinator will determine if treatment by Claimant and taste portion of test by tester were conducted in a proper manner via his/her eye witness observations. The Project Coordinator will render the taste portion of the test a success or failure for Claimants statement and the decision of the Project Coordinator is final. Skeptic Group has 24 hours after the taste test is completed to present substantiated evidence to the Project Coordinator that Claimant utilized fraud or improper procedures to change the wine. Claimant has 24 hours to provide a rebuttal to Skeptic Groups evidence. Project Coordinator will determine / judge if evidence provided by Skeptic Group invalidates test and results in a failure determination. All decisions by the Project Coordinator will be made within 24 hours after Claimant has submitted verbal or written rebuttal to Skeptic Groups evidence and his/her decisions are final and binding by Claimant, Skeptic Group and all challengers.

20. All cash or Treasury Bonds will be given to Claimant or returned to Skeptic Group by the Project Coordinator within 24 to 72 hours after test is completed. Monies in the escrow account will be transferred to Claimant or returned to the other challengers by the Project Coordinator within 24 to 72 hours after the test is completed.

Claimant's first choice as a Project Coordinator - Actor George Hamilton. Claimant has never met, spoken to or communicated with Hamilton. As far as Claimant knows, Hamilton has never heard of Claimant any persons connected with Claimant. Hamilton owns a wine tasting shop, can secure an excellent wine tasting expert and has the contacts to anchor a premium testing site and media attention.

A representative of the claimant and Skeptic Group will communicate with the Project Coordinator candidates and the final selection.

Brian David Andersen

Brian:

Your proposed taste / smell test is too complex / convoluted to suit the Tampa Bay Skeptics. Would something along the lines of the following be acceptable to you?:

"I Brian David Andersen can change the taste of a liquid by placing a liquid at any distance from my body and I do not touch container or liquid with any part of my body.

The following is a proposed Blind Taste Test Protocol related to above statement by the Claimant.

1. Claimant, claimant representative(s), Skeptic Group representative(s), and mutually agreed-upon neutral third party(s) co-assemble Blind Taste Test.

2. Thirty glass containers, to later hold one to two ounces of liquid, are labeled on the bottom of the containers with numbers 1 through 23.

3. Bottle (1 liter) of "Sprite" is opened and approx. half is poured into 32 ounce glass container with lid and second half is poured into another 32 ounce glass container with lid.

4. One container is labeled Sprite A and is placed in secure area until its contents is poured into three to five of the small glasses.

5. The other container is labeled Sprite B and is placed at a distance of three feet from Claimant. Claimant proceeds to "psychically treat" the Sprite for two minutes.

6. Skeptic Group representative(s) chooses how many of the small glass containers are to be filled by Sprite A and how many glasses will be filled by Sprite B. Under the watch of Claimant representative(s), Skeptic Group representative(s) do the filling of the glasses. Claimant and third party(s) are not present in room when glasses are filled.

7. After filling glasses with Sprite A and Sprite B and recording the numbers on bottom of glasses, the glasses are randomly shuffled.

8. Third party(s) tastes Sprite in each glass and segregates each glass into group A or group B according to whether it tastes exactly like a control sip of Sprite (A), or more like a "psychically treated/altered" specimen (B).

9. Results compiled - Success = 25 or more correct out of 30. [Note: I will need to consult a statistician to determine the actual number required to achieve the approx. 10,000,000:1 odds required for such testing.]

10. All phases and the entire Blind Taste Test detailed above will be continuous and not terminated or stopped for any reason once the test begins.

Etc.

--Gary Posner
Tampa Bay Skeptics

At 02:47 PM 4/30/98 -0400, you wrote:

Gary

In reply to your below statement:

Your proposed taste / smell test is too complex / convoluted to suit the Tampa Bay Skeptics. Would something along the lines of the following be acceptable to you?:

NO - Your test protocol is far more complex, non-scientific and unshielded than my protocol. See comments below each of your paragraphs...

1. Claimant, claimant representative(s), Skeptic Group representative(s), and mutually agreed-upon neutral third party(s) co-assemble Blind Taste Test.

CLAIMANT and Skeptic Group must NOT be part of assembling test - every step must be taken to shield or blind the test to insure accuracy.

2. Thirty glass containers, to later hold one to two ounces of liquid, are labeled on the bottom of the containers with numbers 1 through 23.

THIRTY glasses are far too complex - Ten glasses are needed to complete proper test.

3. Bottle (1 liter) of "Sprite" is opened and approx. half is poured into 32 ounce glass container with lid and second half is poured into another 32 ounce glass container with lid.

SPRITE is not an acceptable liquid because cane surgar content and carbonation could skew test. Sprite was used by host Lisa Theisse during historic radio program on April 10, 1998 but she drank liquid IMMEDIATELY after I changed liquid. Sugar cane and carbonated liquids would have potential of giving false positive or false negative results. Red Wine or grape juice only have natural sugars and are a far superior liquids. Using red wine would allow professionals to participate in taste test. There are no professional grape juice or Sprite taste testers but there are plenty of professional wine taste testers - and that tester must not be influenced in any manner by knowing that claimant and skeptic group are participants in test.

My protocol is professional, thorough, properly blinded and will produce results that cannot be doubted or questioned by any members of the media or scientific community. Gary - lets' do this right or not at all....also - are you OK with providing cash money to a mutual third party? I realize that your protocol would allow maximum media attention for members of your organization and my protocol would restrict media attention for members of your group.

Gary, I am not in this for the money or for providing your group media attention. If I was in this for the money I would approach Randi and his big bucks but... Randi has such a bad reputation and I prefer to conduct this test with you because of your M.D. credentials. An associate of mine named James Aker wrote Randi on my behalf but Randi did not respond which I feel was very fortunate. For grins I sent the same e-mail to Randi that I sent to you and his reply was "So". I did not know very much about Randi until investigation by me and others and I have no desire to seek his participation or his prize money. I realize Randi could become or already is a hidden consultant to you but that is OK with me - just keep his name out of this or the test is over.

I desire to place your prize money with a third party not because I don't trust you but because doing so gives this test a much more professional status. We go with protocol that is much closer to what I propose or I will find another local or regional skeptic group or a local or national television program to conduct a Professional Quaduple Blind Taste Test that cannot be questioned or doubted by any scientist or layman.

Brian David Andersen

SPRITE is not an acceptable liquid because cane surgar content and carbonation could skew test.

Your initial come-on specifically cited Sprite as an acceptable liquid, which is why I suggested it ["Also Andersen did not know the location of Ms. Theisse when he changed her liquid (soft drink named "Sprite" . . . ] ).

I regret that TBS will be unable to test you. Perhaps you'll have some luck elsewhere.

Gary,

As I stated in last e-mail, there are no professional sprite or grape juice taste testers and your withdrawl from this test because of the "Sprite" issue indicates you only desire an amature, quickie - slap together test that gives maximum media exposure to you and your group. Your withdrawl from this test is an historic event in itself. For the first time a skeptic group has withdrawn from a project because the claimant has testing standards that are too high and professional for the skeptic group Thank you for being part of history.

Obviously my professional standards that you lable "convoluted" are too rigorous for you and TBS. I could understand your withdrawl and "convoluted" lable if you were a non-scientist / non-medical person but your degree indicates you have had experiences with shielded or blinded tests. Your desire not to maintain and withdraw from rigorous standards is very bad reflection on the medical doctor profession and all skeptic groups around the world.

Your stunt of asking a television audience to guess or detect what is in a black box is just that - A STUNT - not a scientific investigation based upon professional protocols.

Gary why are you involved with skeptic groups? For the media attention or truely to investigate the powers and limits of the human potential? Your stunts, "convoluted" statement and withdrawl from my challange indicate your purpose of being a skeptic is for grandstanding and promoting your fears of the human potential that are based on shere ignorance and immaturity. My protocols do not allow you to grandstand and promote. You have vast intellect in the brain but has your emotional state of the heart gone beyond that of a scared 13-year-old?

Also I would be interested in a debate with you and/or your group utilizing parlimentary procedure to discuss skeptics vs. metaphysical practitionors in front of a high school and/or college audience. The topics would be astrology, energy projection, etc. etc. Are you up for that or is my proposal too professional and rigorous for the TAMPA BAY SKEPTICS?

Hope you can evolve and emerge from your fears and amaturism soon.

Take Care

Brian David Andersen

Claimant and Skeptic Group will not participate in any phase of assembly of test.
For the first time a skeptic group has withdrawn from a project because the claimant has testing standards that are too high and professional for the skeptic group Thank you for being part of history.

TBS has never been a part of your "project," so I am at a loss as to how you can accuse us of "withdrawing" from it. I am not interested in turning TBS's money (or reputation) over to anyone for a "project" in which, for example, we are excluded from participation in any/all phases of its assembly.

I prefer to conduct this test with you because of your M.D. credentials.

My medical credentials are irrelevant to the nature of your claims.

I am forwarding our correspondence to TBS's chairman, Terry Smiljanich (tsmiljan@aol.com), to see if he would be interested in having TBS test you under your specified conditions.

As for your "debate" proposal, I have little doubt that a group of students (unless they have just taken a course in critical thinking) would find a purveyor of paranormal claims the victor in any such popularity contest. As is the case when evolutionary scientists debate "creation scientists," the scientific position almost always loses to the sexier, pro-paranormal position. I suppose you will now accuse me of having withdrawn from our planned debate?

Gary,

Your reply e-mail dated 4/27/98 that detailed your version of taste test was participation on your part with my claims and project. Had you not replied you would have not been a participant. Your ACTION of typing a counter proposal was your participation via negotiation and you decided to withdraw from participating in negotiating a proper and professional taste test because the standards and protocols are too high and rigorous for you and your organization.

I am still trying to decifer your e-mail regarding my proposal for a parlimentary debate related to metaphysics. So you profess that if a human being does not have a course in critical thinking at a private or public educational INSTITUTION, then the person cannot think or feel in a proper manner. Your logic and statement reflects the robitized mind and heart of a totally institutionalized person whether they be in a prison, asylum, or a university. Again, I challenge you and your organization to a debate utilizing parlimentary procedures related to numeous areas of metaphysics. You have refused to participate in a professional taste test and now do you refuse to a professional debate in a public setting such as a high school or university?

As I concluded in my last e-mail -- Hope you can evolve and emerge from your fears and amaturism soon.

Take Care - Brian

As of May 2, 1998 Dr. Gary Posner has not yet replied to or communicated with Brian David Andersen.


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